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Someone should do a version of it with his conspiracy tin hat on.

I was wondering if it caused him to be a bit more cautious surrounding the second.

Thanks for the more measured reply. I've never put anyone on ignore either. Everyone's entitled to an opinion on whether it was a red or not, the interpretation of the guidelines is fairly subjective. A lot have said it was a definite red, a few have said it definitely wasn't I'd fall somewhere in between "seen them given but wouldnt be surprised if it was a yellow either" camp. I wasn't initially taking issue with Arbitro saying it was a definite red, that's his prerogative. I was taking issue with his support for Ismael producing "the list" and complaining of some sort of vendetta against us by referees which in my book is excuse making, nothing more nothing less.

I'd imagine you have to apply that guideline on the assumption all players are of equal ability. You can't award a red if it's Messi going through and a yellow if it's Gueye. Opinions will presumably vary greatly on what constitutes an "obvious goalscoring opportunity" though. If you pull the incident last night back to the half way line would it still be one? Id say not but people might disagree.

You may not see this if Im already on ignore but for me he definitely got the first one wrong. The attacking player is heading into the corner anyway and arguably it's not even a foul he appears to trip over his own feet. Not sure on how getting the first one wrong has any bearing on whether last night's decision was right or not.

Or Gerald Ashby on behalf of Man Ure when he awarded a penalty and sent Berg off here.

Whatever the outcome, something will happen at some point during the game that he'll latch onto as an excuse.

Completely agree. We're singing from the same hymn sheet. A couple of things went against us that might have gone the other way but this non stop assassination of referees and the bizarre notion that there's some sort of conspiracy against us or that it only happens to us, is frankly ridiculous and embarrassing. It's one thing for supporters who are naturally going to be biased to be saying it - for our Head Coach - dear me.

I am being objective, Im not looking at last night's incident through blue and white tinted glasses as you appear to be. As with the Chelsea v Arsenal decision you seem to hold a very strong opinion on both and think there's only one possible outcome. Id say both are extremely subjective decisions. Anyhow we disagree on it so Ill leave it there. Like Penwortham put me on ignore if you dont like my posts.

I think we were more hard done to by by the decision not to award a second corner right at the end than by the red that should or shouldnt have been given, but either way you're right. We have to defend the situation at the end properly and the fact we failed to do so is 100% on us. Anything else is just excuse making as Wheelton has said.

I was passing an opinion on Miller not attempting to be unpleasant towards you. He must have been responsible for at least half a dozen goals so far this season. Don't think I've ever said Tronstad is "hopeless" pretty ordinary is more apt but either way my views on him are completely irrelevant to my views on Miller. Apologies if you've taken umbrage at anything I've posted, it's a message board at the end of the day and I've merely posted my opinion, Im not attempting to upset anyone. I can't recall you taking particular exception to anything anyone else posted so if you don't like the stuff I post for whatever reason Id imagine the option is there to put me on ignore.

Unless the attacking player is bearing down on goal in the middle of the pitch and gets hacked down just outside the penalty area without a defender in sight the "criteria" aren't black and white and are open to a degree of subjectivity. In a situation like last night Id expect a red maybe about 60% of the time but I can certainly see why one wasn't given. If the boot was on the other foot I'd be hoping the ref thought it was too far out and thinking we were slightly unlucky to receive a red.

You've cited a load of criteria there and none of them really support your case for it being a red, it was a long way out, Moreshita was out to the side and not clean through centrally on goal, neither did he have the ball properly under control, and Davis was in the vicinity, might or might not have got back. I thought it was probably just about a red but it wasn't as clear cut as many are making out. You've done the ref's job for him there illustrating reasons why it was legitimate NOT to give a red.

That's some u turn from you arbitro! What happened to "Mr Aloof" and Mr. "Arrogant"? The fact Vince Viley is such a poor manager is absolutely the point. That's why we're not winning any (or at least many) football matches. We can't defend properly, we don't create anywhere near enough chances and his substitutions frequently cost us the game. It's nothing whatsoever to do with poor officiating. Decisions go for and against you all the time. It may be we're temporarily not getting the rub of the green but that's irrelevant -you have to get on with it and do your job properly. Complete excuse culture down there. Strip the squad to the bone then complain about injuries. Find yourselves unable to win a home game or hold onto a lead, turn the blame onto the officials. It's absolutely nauseating. Wonder what the excuses for Saturday will be? Vince must be hard at work already adding them to his "list".

I think Miller's an absolutely shocking player. Cant defend to save his life. One of the worst of the summer signings. Compare him with Pratt and it's like night and day. Right under our nose and wouldn't have cost a fee. Could either of our other youngsters have done a job as well?

Sorry arbitro ( and Parson) it's an act of sheer desperation from a piss poor manager who is completely out of his depth and looking to deflect blame off himself and away from his bosses Ince Mark 2. (Although far more unlikeable.) "Shoot!"

Exactly what I was thinking!

Ismael's an absolute ham shanker. It's not referees' fault we can't defend. Or create enough chances. One win in nine home League games. None of it down to him or his appalling recruitment I don't suppose. The most unlikeable manager since Steve Kean by quite some distance.

Afraid so.

Thought we should have had a second corner at the end I thought. Weird I was talking about this very same thing this morning in the context of VAR. As at Wrexham though it's ultimately down to us to defend the situation and see the game out. Shite defending from Miller and De Neve as per.

No words. One home win in nine. "1st Division here we come, right back where we started from". Although the original song was about a different first division.

We're not the same side second half. Fear the worst.

(Conspiracy mode on) An appearance off the bench tonight would put him closer to the 50 appearances. Staying on the bench presumably won't.

Forshaw off. Not a fan of his but thought he was having a good game tonight.

Wonder if the 2 Clubs agreed the bloke who got suspended last time should sit it out? Quite sporting IF that occurred.