Quite correct. Like I said, you will never succeed with a poor manager no matter how good the owners, or no matter how much money you throw at it. As a point of order I didn't say our owners were "excellent" owners, it would be hard to argue that on their track record to date. I do believe however they are genuinely committed to the Club and they do seem to have a remarkable capacity to inject as much money into the Club as is currently permissible under the regulations. That is not something you dismiss lightly and you discard it at your peril imo.

I don't watch them every week but personally I don't think it's anything to do with Ronaldo. Solskjaer seems an all round nice bloke but isn't a very good manager to put it mildly. The players obviously had no faith whatsoever in him or his methods. It's a miracle he's survived there as long as he has. I bet even Cardiff wouldn't take him back given the opportunity.

United players falling over themselves today to admit it was their fault Ole got the sack. Is there any more nauseating sight than highly paid professionals who have just got their manager the sack by failing to perform over an extended period queuing up to self flagellate in the media once it's too late. Do it on the bleeding pitch then!

I agree whole heartedlywith you that whilst I (unlike most) am prepared to sit back and wait for a reasonable period to see if these "whispers" come to fruition, the continued employment of Waggott and Mowbray seems to run directly contrary in that regard to any hope of improvement or change. So if "hyperbole" is what it needs to shift him, so be it. You'll never succeed with a poor manager, even if you have excellent owners.

Sorry, couldn't disagree more, there must be tens of players at all levels throughout the Leagues who could run about a bit and chip in the odd goal without costing £5m and costing £20k p.w. in wages. Or anywhere near that. If you were debating buying him today you'd struggle to make a case out for paying £500k for him.

And of course Premier League Clubs let their players like Elliott, Harwood Bellis, Douglas, Trybull and Branthwaite out on loan for nothing and the players themselves play for nothing out of the goodness of their hearts.......... Probably at least another £3m in loan fees plus very substantial wages on top of the "£1m". Plus our contribution to Poveda's wages this season alone is more than the £400 k figure you've plucked out of thin air from somewhere.

The abysmal Gallagher £5m and £20k p.w. Brereton was not really what we needed either when we lashed out £7m on him. Mowbray subsequently compounded that by ignoring him completely for 18 months, the net result being that even though he's finally come good we're likely to lose him for nothing or a fraction of his true worth. You're making yourself look very silly indeed now Gav.

He's not so far off holding the purse strings, in the past, whenever he's gone back cap in hand to the owners for more funds either because they've underestimated how much players cost or their wage demands, or he's cocked up, or due to a spate of injuries, funds would appear to have been forthcoming.

Dack was a stroke of inspiration there's no doubt about that, fairly left field and by far the best signing of the lot all things considered. My argument would be, if you're given the funding to bring in around, I don't know forty or fifty players over five years either permanently or on loan, you'd expect a few belters as an absolute minimum and under a genuinely astute manager, a lot more than that.

"Played a blinder" is perhaps stretching it a bit far as clued up, knowledgeable and hands on owners shouldn't have allowed the situation to get to that point in the first place. But yes, they did exploit the loophole just before it was closed off which to me demonstrates their continued commitment to the cause. Now if only all that money and genuine intent could finally be put to good use under skillfull and shrewd operators on the ground at Ewood with their finger on the pulse of the supporter base.

Ah the two Mr. Flip Flops who are now seemingly quite content with Mowbray steaming in..... Sorry guys, no offence, my point was more that if the only focus of our transfer activity in January is to sign non entities from Scotland on pre contracts for next season that isn't necessarily indicative of major regime changes coming in summer. Mowbray isn't the man to take us forward at this level, never was and never will be. A temporary and slightly better sequence of results than we had last season doesn't change that but I'm getting concerned that the owners view on Mowbray's future might change like the wind on the back of a couple of decent results or vice versa.

They cost £11m. (£1m, £3m and £7m) We only netted around £10m for Armstrong (should have been more but for the contract situation) and similarly there's a good chance Brereton will leave for nothing or a lot less than his true worth for the same reason. I wonder how many players Mowbray has signed in his near 5 and a half seasons here? A hell of a lot and off the top of my head I'd genuinely only say Dack/ Armstrong/Brereton/Kaminsky/Elliott/Harwood Bellis Tosin and Reed (who he wasted anyway) were good signings. May be the odd one I've missed so apologies to them. I'd say that's a dreadful ratio in comparison to the numbers of players he's actually signed, the amount spent on wages and the dead money frittered away on loan fees.

So you're happy to stick with Mowbray then?

You're clearly on the wind up Gav, Gallagher has been an absolutely abysmal signing. Clubs in our current position simplycan't afford to get it wrong when spending that much and he's also one of the highest wage earners. What makes it even more unforgiveable was that he was here before and didn't look all that then. (Albeit substantially better than he does now)

All desperately worrying if like me you are hoping Mowbray will be long gone by summer. Players on pre contracts don't help for the remainder of this season and what if a new manager came in and didn't fancy the players he'd been lumbered with signing?

Good post, one of the main reason revenues and attendances have been dropping like a stone is we have Mowbray in situ as manager under whom we have zero chance of success and Waggott as CEO who isn't fit to sweep the car park as another poster (arbitro?) aptly pointed out previously. Eventually people will just lose interest. I wonder what excuse these two give when quizzed about decline in revenues and attendance? Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, my guess is they both play the Covid card and hope the owners either don't notice attendances are up everywhere else or that they've currently got enough problems in their own Country to take decisive action here.

Exactly. I'd have a very hard time renewing my ST if either Waggott or Mowbray got a new contract tbh. And that's after fifty years and not even Steve Kean or Owen Coyle finished me off.

Also now the completely renovated Fox and Hounds on McDonald's roundabout.

Aye, like Christian Walton. Edit: If you make enough duff signings I suppose you're bound to get the odd one right eventually on the law of averages.

Because that isn't permissible for FFP purposes!

Taking the thread back to the original topic of Mowbray, Ssturday's game at Bristol City was a microcosm of us under him imo. First half, against a team bang out of form and confidence we never turned up. This was followed by a much improved second half display. In the end a draw was probably fair but a team going places would have scented blood and found a way to win yesterday. Whatever anyone's views on the owners, under a better and more ambitious manager we would do better. Someone who could get the players to put a shift in for 90 mins as opposed to 45 would help. Mowbray out Waggott out Venus out.

Ok so just assuming for a second in a weird parallel conspiratorial world that the explanation for the Training ground move isn't the obvious one that it's to get round FFP and it is in fact a machiavellian plot to cash in on it by the owners. Why not just sell it now?

Thank goodness for a bit of common sense on this thread.

Wouldn't say he was a Fans favourite exactly, when he was here I think most people wondered how he got in the side every week and assumed he must be in possession of incriminating photographs of the manager. After he left however he became a cult hero because given he had been that bad, every time anyone from either side missed a sitter the cry of "Beamo" went up for many years thereafter.

His exact words were along the lines of "I want to make sure the Club's all right when I'm gone". Once he had gone the Trust's Solicitor Paul Egerton Vernon announced in the LT that there was no specific pot for the Club but that it was hoped the profits from the other Companies would sustain Rovers. Whether this was Jack's actual intention who knows, but to play devil's advocate the amounts needed to remain competitive at the top end of the Premier League were rising all the time and the family had either no interest in football, or a passing interest but weren't willing to risk the family silver on the Club. I know several of the family to say hello to and I would say they are exceptionally nice people in a social capacity. As owners however the last straw for me was when they announced they were withdrawing funding from the Club and then one of Jack's other Companies Fly Be subsequently appeared as sponsors on the front of Birmingham City's shirts. As Rovers needed a net influx of funds of c £2m - £3m p.a. at the time and Fly Be presumably flew a large number of flights from East Midlands Airport I suppose the moves were sensible in a strictly commercial sense. I bet Jack was spinning in his grave at that point though.