Surely only Mowbray could deliver a record home defeat three days before the Club were rather strangely trying to drum up interest by somewhat bizarrely celebrating a 146 year anniversary. And surely only Mowbray could be so completely devoid of contrition after delivering the worst result in our 146 year history. And that shortly after a 3rd worst ever run of 17 games. Even former Burnley man Coyle showed far more respect for the Club when he was here. Waggott, Mowbray, Venus, Lowe - absolute chancers aboard the gravy train happy to fritter away the owners money and stick two fingers up at the fans. Shelve Plan A of trying to limp through until the end of the season. Get rid NOW and bring in Hughes or Wilder, Tom Finn and a decent coaching team and let's at least have personnel representing the Club with a bit of dignity who treat the fans with a bit of respect and who expect certain standards on the pitch.

First bit, suspect he feels fairly untouchable until his contract expires unless it looks like we're going down. Second bit, agree he doesn't give a flying fuck, probably because he knows he won't be here next season irrespective of tonight. At least could have apologised to the fans for the worst defeat in the Club's history though.

Where to start with that..... can't even remember a 5 goal defeat at home in 51 years of watching us let alone 6 or 7. Mowbray should have been sacked early 2019 we've been going backwards ever since, this is what you get when you leave a lame duck manager in situ and with the better players set to walk out for nothing soon to boot. This result might be a blessing in disguise.....it will look extremely odd if Venky's don't act now.

If it means he's gone by tomorrow I'd take 7 or 8.

Not a flicker of emotion from Venus or Lowe either after the sending off or after the 4th went in. Taking everyone and the Club for absolute mugs.

Nowhere to be seen for the 4th either. Elsewhere, Butterworth coming on at 4 down - that'll do wonders for his confidence.

Or awol..... take your pick. I'm not impressed with him.

Could have conceded 3 already doing that.

I actually thought he was having a nightmare defensively tonight. Terrible play from him Van Hecke Rothwell and Johnson for the first as well.

Wasn't an obvious handball for me, was more ball to hand. Straw clutching in the extreme to try and defend the sending off on that basis.

Have to agree with this. What do they do if a substantial chunk say "Not going again until Mowbray/Waggott leave." (Which would have been my reasoning had I decided not to take up my ST once more this season) Alternatively what would they do if most said "Not going because of the owners?" Would they have the testicular fortitude to report that back? Much easier to blame it all on Covid.

Be good if he came back in reasonable form and we could jettison the useless Gallagher out of the side once and for all.

Been on a day out to Derby. Great day out and good result. Decent first half , would have been 4 up if Gallagher was half decent, he really is atrocious, if we hadn't paid £5m for him he'd probably struggle to get a game in League 2. Insipid second half bur then again Derby never really threatened until they scored on 87 mins. After that we went to pieces and CKR should really have equalised in injury time. 3 points, move on 26 to go.

Most of the blame for our CURRENT plight does lie with Mowbray (and Waggott). Obviously things weren't tickety boo before they turned up either. It's the owners name over the door so ultimate responsibility lies with them. Where they've gone wrong up to now is to keep placing too much trust in chancers to run the Club on their behalf whether it be Kentaro or the Coventrio. Until they start employing the right calibre of people and keep a sufficiently close eye on things to intervene if it looks like they're going wrong I don't suppose we'll see much improvement and hundreds of .millions more will be wasted.

What? Why?

Hi Gav, I wasn't aware of this development until it broke this week. However I'm as certain as I can be at this point that it is merely an accounting exercise. I think it's an indication of the owners continuing commitment to the Club. I'm particularly pleased that Brockhall is still under Club ownership and I don't see any way it will ever be transferred to an external 3rd party or Housing Development Company now. If people want to take it the opposite way that's up to them.

That's fair as well. Shouldn't have got to that stage in the first place. Mowbray and Waggott shouldn't have mismanaged the finances and the owners should have kept a much closer eye on them and nipped it in the bud at an earlier stage.

Just about sums it up.

Looking at that he's either been pulled up by someone in the Club on making less than complimentary comments about Rothwell given the delicate contract situation or has completely given up hope on him re-signing and is trying to drum up interest in him for January. I want Mowbray out of the Club so badly.

Glad to see you're not making any assumptions then!

If it's true that we are contributing 10k p.w. towards Poveda's wages then by not bringing him in that could have allowed us to offer say Nyambe an extra £5k p.w. for 2 seasons. Would that in itself be enough to get a deal for him over the line? I don't know but the principle still applies. Our priorities are all wrong and over the last few seasons we have wasted, and continue to waste, money like water.

You're easily pleased. If anyone offered money back for him or maybe even around two thirds I'd snap their arm off at the elbow.

1st point, as you say, Venky's own BRFC so in reality there's no practical difference. 2nd point, if the Club were ever sold I would expect that the STC would also be included in the sale free of any incumbrances I.e. any outstanding mortgage. This is the point that the Fans Forum/ Trust/any other interested party need clarification and reassurances on.

You do remember there was a pandemic?

We haven't "sold" it, that's exactly the point. The owners couldn't inject any more money in by any other means without facing sanctions under the daft FFP rules. This way, we avoid any FFP sanctions, the STC remains under Club ownership and isn't transferred to Persimmon Homes or Venus Property Developments or whatever and we should have far more wiggle room in January and next summer now the Armstrong proceeds have been received as well. We'll have to wait and see how well any available funds are utilised of course, personally I wouldn't want Mowbray spending (wasting) a penny of it but at face value it's a win win scenario for me compared to what could have happened. And yes, I know we shouldn't have got to that situation in the first place but once it had already happened, it needed to be resolved.