Obviously Waggott and Mowbray couldn't actually sell the training ground without the owners' consent. However as they tried to do exactly the same at Coventry it's fairly inconceivable that the original idea to sell the training ground here didn't come from them. Waggott also admitted in the LT he was the driving force behind the idea. God knows what they told the owners, however having tried and failed to pull off the same scheme twice at two different Clubs I think it's naive in the extreme to think they wouldn't be getting what they would consider to be some form of perfect legitimate benefit had the plans gone through in either case.

The "Club" isn't even in the Club's name is it? Isn't the overwhelming.ing majority of the Club's shares owned by Venky's Hatcheries London Ltd or whatever it's called?

I agree on that part of it, on the face of it it could be an incredibly positive development so I'm not entirely sure why we wouldn't publicise it. Didn't Derby get in some sort of trouble for trying to get round FFP by doing something with their training ground or am I imagining that? One further point occurs to me, is am I right in thinking the site is the one that can't be developed for housing? If it is, there'd be little point financially in the owners acquiring it with a view to a future sale.

Amen to that my friend.

"Owners of training ground STILL own training ground shocker!" As I mentioned above this could merely be an attempt to inject funds into the Club without breaching FFP. I do think we need detailed clarification and assurances on the matter though.

I'll be the first one to jump all over anything untoward regarding Brockhall and would need to know more but my first thought is - is there anything to see here? The site is still owned by one of Venky's Companies just as Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic Club is one of Venky's Companies given they own the Club. Can't remember exactly the date when Waggott's plans to flog the other site for housing were shelved but could it not be a case of the owners stepping in to thwart Mowbray and Waggott's grubby little scheme, inject some money into the Club during a pandemic without breaching FFP rules and prevent the sites from falling into actual 3rd party ownership? As long as the assets of this new Company would form part of a sale to any future owners should that arise I can't see any issue with it. People are always complaining that the owners should be more creative with their attempts to inject capital into the Club to circumvent FFP. My only reservation is that if this is what's happened you'd have thought that the Club would be shouting it from the rooftops. On the other hand maybe it's a bit of a grey area for FFP purposes and the Club want it to go slightly under the radar. Definitely something the Fans Forum should be quizzing Waggott on and getting a definitive answer on. If the cash injection means there is no longer a need to consider a sale to external parties of either site I would only view that as an incredibly positive thing.

In fact it's so bad he'll have "put up with it" for five and a bit seasons by the end of this one and only a few weeks ago his mate Swag was talking about hopping on a plane to India to sort out a new contract for Tony. Pull the other one Mick

Well the only opinion of mine that that load of old codswallop (not aimed at you WIR) has changed is that of Mccarthy. And not for the better. If things are that intolerable for Mowbray, why doesn't he just leave? Old pals act. Then again dinosaurs did use to roam the earth in packs.

No, but they employ Waggott and Mowbray to manage the football side of the Club on their behalf!!! Not too unreasonable is it? Mowbray made a decision he didn't want to upset the rest of the squad. And he also got us into FFP problems running a massively bloated squad full of dross like Bennett and Evans. It's not the owners withholding finance per se. Although yes, they should probably have noticed the situation and nipped it in the bud sooner. But then again , what are they paying Waggott and Mowbray for? It's up to them to keep us within FFP parameters and flag up any potential problems with the squad well before they happen giving the owners the option of what they then want to do.

No, by his own admission in that article it's partly because Mowbray is claiming he isn't prepared to sanction offering said players anything beyond a so called wage ceiling so as not to upset everyone else. I'm calling BS on that because again by his own admission they would have been prepared to completely ignore that in the case of Armstrong so the wage cap clearly isn't as inflexible as he is making out if they want to keep the player badly enough and it isn't the owners putting the block on it financially. Also I would wager the likes of Nyambe and Rothwell will be on an absolute fraction of the likes of Ayala, Gallagher and Dack so to assume that they would be after parity or something in excess of those players is nonsense imo. The only way in which I think you could say it was in any way the owners fault is by not sacking Waggott and Mowbray well before now. If you were Rothwell and 27 and potentially considering your last really big career move, would you really want to sign for a lame duck manager like Mowbray? Or if you were an outstanding talent like Nyambe and had been constantly shuttled in and out of the side by Mowbray behind inferior players, would you be busting a gut to re-sign for him either?

So where's this new contract for Lenihan that Waggott was apparently assuring everyone he was on the point of signing a couple of months ago? Surely he couldn't have been being economical with the truth?

Will you get it through your head, the contract situation is nothing whatsoever to do with the owners!

Mowbray can SAY what he likes about it now, if he had been sufficiently concerned about securing the futures of the Club's key players, as manager he would have sacrificed a few others and ensured it was sorted at least 12-18 months ago. Not just shed a few crocodile tears when it's too late.

Rothwell's not without one or two flaws but if he was absolutely perfect , he wouldn't be at Blackburn Rovers at this precise point in time. Any other manager would be saying something like "Joe has qualities that no other player at the Club can bring us therefore we're really keen to persuade him to commit his future to us". But no, he knows he's completely messed up the contract situation so it's a face/arse covering exercise "I never rated him that much anyway". Which may actually be true as he seems incapable of leaving him on the pitch for 90 mins whereas I think he'd leave Gallagher on if he was missing a limb.

Don't be fooled by the forked tongue comments of Mowbray and Waggott. They now seem to be insinuating that the contract situation is the owners' fault because there's a wage cap in place. I'm sure that's news to the likes of Ayala and Gallagher Mowbray essentially admitted the contract problem was of his own making because he didn't want to offer the players in question improved deals in the midst of a pandemic and potentially upset the rest of the squad. Well boo hoo, better players earn more than ones that aren't as good. It's the manager's job to look after the interests and future of the Club by securing it's major assets, not worrying about pandering to and upsetting the feelings of the less important players who if they didn't like it should have been told they were welcome to look elsewhere. I suspect Waggott and Mowbray have now been instructed to sort the contracts out to avoid tens of millions of pounds of talent walking out of the door for nothing but that the stable door has already firmly bolted and Waggott and Mowbray have damaged the relationships with said players beyond repair. As for your final paragraph, £10k p.w. (if that's correct) for Poveda to sit on the bench is hardly "nothing" or "next to nothing" is it? Hundreds of thousands of pounds more wasted that could have gone towards improved contract offers. And, the money was there to bring in Obafemi or Maja had they wanted to come or not failed a medical respectively.

The bloke (Mowbray) is a disgrace. Knows Rothwell won't sign for him therefore is trying to stick the boot in and make out Rothwell isn't that good anyway before he (Mowbray) departs the Club as well. If you were being offered the same or similar money here as elsewhere why would any player worth his salt want to sign for Mowbray? If he is allowed to see his contract out that decision will cost us dearly regardless of our final finishing position this season.

I'd go a step further and say it's been in decline since Mark Hughes left.

Hmm...... if he was granted a new deal then maybe. Perhaps the FFP mess Mowbray got us into ironically dictated a pragmatic approach of not incurring further expense by not paying him off unless it was absolutely necessary?

Glad you edited and put the last bit in, I was about to post as you seemingly feel Mowbray is doing such a fabulous job then by extension you must also be full of praise for the owners both for appointing him initially and keeping him in situ recently.

If any of them sign new deals maybe.

So according to you we pay the wages out of our own income and then have a separate £20m loss? Where do you think that £20m p.a. disappears to if not on players wages?

I thought someone posted a table on here without Venky's input which tended to suggest that once their £20 m p.a. contribution was taken into account we were actually about 4th in terms of overall finance. Happy to be proved wrong if that's incorrect.

Why wouldn't you?

Funny how when Brereton wasn't doing so well he was apparently a player foisted on an unwilling manager by the owners............ And we netted around £10m for Armstrong so if the others walk for nothing £50m is a bit optimistic to say the least! Gallagher good business? Reel 'em in Gav!

Have to say that whilst I may disagree with the views of those who come on and make out that everything is OK after a win they are perfectly entitled to have that point of view. I think in general the mods are far too quick to to complain about or remove posts they don't like in recent times.