Having seen him play, (twice) Why pay £5m for him at all regardless of any weaknesses in other areas of the pitch?

Voted. No need to guess which way. Says it all that Waggott is marginally more unpopular than Mowbray.

Well done. Let us know what response you get.

The only crumb of comfort I'm clinging to is that he may know he's history and this is a parting shot at the fans on the way out of the door.

Also reference to the "older gentlemen" who "lived through the glory years". Patronising arsehole. The reason we older fans can see right through him is not because of the Dalglish years but because of the pre Jack Walker years where we've seen proper managers whose shoes Mowbray isn't fit to lace like Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendall and Mackay thrive on a financial shoestring. They never had tens of millions of pounds of owners backing and the luxury of running a wage bill of 187% to turnover like Mowbray has been able to do.

Spot on. We've been on Tony's "journey" now for four and a half years and find ourselves behind those Clubs who in comparative terms are barely out of the starting blocks and who have spent the tiniest fraction of what we have. What's he on about as well needing £100 or £200m to get promoted? He's already burnt his way through c£100m of the owners money over the last few years keeping the likes of Graham, Mulgrew, Bennett,Downing and Evans in clover.

I'd like the Fans Forum to start becoming relevant in the current climate and concentrate on real issues not the price of a pie, having to queue for a pint or a broken speaker in the Riverside etc. Surely all that type of trivia can be sorted with a phone call to the Club rather than waste limited and valuable face to face time with them. Questions to be raised: 1) Can Waggott definitively confirm that the recent transfer of the STC was merely an accounting exercise for FFP purposes and that if the Club was ever sold in the future the STC would pass as part of the sale free from any incumbrances? i.e mortgage etc. 2) What was the Club's view on the hard work spent in promoting the Sheffield United game being sabotaged by a Club record 0-7 home defeat three days prior? Why did the manager not deem it necessary to even apologise for such a display and why was he not sacked by 9a.m.the following morning on the back of it? 3) As if all that wasn't bad enough we also had players apparently "liking" the Club record defeat. Do the players have a formal code of conduct re their social media output and does the Club have a dedicated Internet manager to monitor players' output on social media and do they discipline players where appropriate? If not they're needed and one of the Club's army of analysts should be put to some actual practical use to enforce it.

We all know "it's only a job" to them and they don't support the Club per se but in any other walk of life how far would you get in your job if you had a high profile job at a Company that had just posted record annual losses, you had a mate who worked for a rival Company who'd been particularly successful over the same period, and you "liked" a post of his on social media celebrating their success?

Correct.

Yes, I'm aware, thanks for that. Merce has predicted Alex Neil is coming in imminently so often that twice every 6 months would suffice in this instance!

Do you know, not sure I agree. I came to this story relatively late and the more I think about it the more it makes my blood boil. It might seem like a little thing at first but on reflection I think it symbolises everything that is rotten and wrong with the mentality at the Club. Dack's a senior player at the Club and should be setting an example. He's made an error of judgement, fine, but when pulled up on it he should be apologising for his thoughtlessness and causing any offence. Not compounding the situation. You could also count the number of decent performances Bennett put in during five years at the Club on the fingers of one hand. Yet he was rewarded for nor performing with numerous new contracts and the symbolic role of Club Captain, a role he revelled in becoming the Club's self confessed cheer leader and tub thumper on social media. Yet he was the first to be all precious and complain if anyone pulled him up on social media about poor performances. And here he is popping up on social media taking the piss out of the Club as soon as he leaves! What chance did we have when he was here with someone like that "leading" us? So we have a manager describing a 0-7 Club record home defeat as just one of those things that happens and current players, a former Club Captain and other former players who seemingly find the situation amusing. For me the whole do the bare minimum holiday camp mentality started with Allardyce prioritising certain games and sacrificing others. That worked for him to a degree as his sole target was survival but it seems to me that the stench of mediocrity and culture of doing the bare minimum you can get away with has never left the Club even though since being in the Championship we've theoretically been operating under completely different parameters of trying to win enough games to achieve promotion. We need a new manager and CEO to come in and give the place the place a right good shake up from top to bottom. And set minimum standards and expectation levels.

I hope so, at least they're right every once in a while!

Think this is terrible from both of them, especially from Dack who as a senior pro should know far better. If anything his attempt to justify it is even worse than the initial gaffe. His response to the Rovers fans querying it should have been "Really sorry, I can see it might have caused offence, there was none intended, was showing support for a mate". Butterworth I've a bit more sympathy for but as a young lad trying to break into the first team he should be keeping his nose clean and avoiding any awkward situations. Yet again it's indicative of the holiday camp mentality and lack of discipline at the Club and all roads once again lead back to Mowbray. He doesn't give a shit so is it really any surprise that when push comes to shove the players don't either. Can you imagine any players doing this at Liverpool or City under Klopp or Guardiola? So called "Captain fantastic" Benno can fook off as well. Should show the Club far more respect after we paid his wages for so long. Absolute shower.

Timescale?

Great Post JH.

Yet Blackpool beat Fulham 1-0 at home in September, so how can they compete and we (allegedly) can't?

Exactly. When I was discussing the original attempt to flog off Brockhall in the midst of a 16 game losing run on a Coventry forum someone said: "So you're us 5 years ago. Sorry" And look how they've thrived since Mowbray/Waggot/Venus left their Club. Regardless of the owners, anyone who thinks that a better manager than Mowbray couldn't do a better job than him with the same set of players and with the same financial backing, simply isn't thinking straight.

Hypothetically if you brought in Guardiola then you've solved problems 1-4 and 6 at a stroke and problem 5 wouldn't go away completely as the transfer budget would still be limited by FFP restrictions. You would however have a fabulous coach who would work with and undoubtedly improve the existing playing staff. Point taken re: the off the field matters, they would need sorting out as well.

I'd urge everyone to get down to Ewood and give Mowbray, Waggott ( if he can be bothered turning up for once) Venus and Lowe what for on Saturday irrespective of the result

Yeah, I'm not just basing it on on some random hope that things will miraculously improve out of nowhere SG, I'm not that daft. Any cautious optimism is on the basis of specific information received but unfortunately having (supposedly) grand plans for the Club and leaving Waggott/Mowbray/ Venus et al in situ is completely incompatible.

Funny thing is Parson, I'm fairly sure it's incorrect to say that they don't know what's going on down at Ewood or "aren't interested". They have a funny way of going about things by our conventional yardsticks though and unless they start employing the right calibre of people and there is root and branch reform throughout the Club and they are prepared to step in swiftly if things start going wrong in future, it's hard to see much chance of any improvement.

Well, I've been partially supportive of the owners recently because I do think they've shown tremendous financial commitment to the Club over the last ten years or so and never more so than recently in the aftermath of the pandemic. I was however appalled when Mowbray was not sacked at the back end of last season after amongst other things: - delivering the 3rd worst run over a 16 game period in our 145 year history. -- saying he didn't bother looking at the table - and taking off our RB during a game, replacing him with a CF then changing said CF for a CH ten minutes later. Then there's the scandal of our best players all being allowed to run their contracts down. A proper manager and CEO would have prioritised resources to protect the Club's most valuable assets and would have sacrificed some of the less valuable ones. There's surely little chance now of anyone signing anything unless Mowbray and his motley assortment of deadbeats on the bench are sacked. Rothwell's face when he was as usual hauled off last night shortly after the hour mark was an absolute picture. The reason I was so adamant Mowbray had to go last season was that this one would be (at best) wasted if he stayed. Exactly the same scenario applies to next season if he is allowed to see this one out - there's a good chance that will be wasted as well unless someone can transform us more or less overnight. It has been left far too long to sack him already but it's never too late to try and bring about some improvement by getting rid now as opposed to exacerbating the situation by leaving him in situ I and several other have heard hints of relatively impressive sounding plans to transform the future of the Club over the next few years. I'm prepared to take those apparent good intentions at face value at this stage but unfortunately that doesn't square with the inertia where Waggott, Mowbray and his coaching staff are concerned. He should have gone last season but didn't and we're going to pay for it with several more results of this ilk I fear, along with theoretically valuable players leaving for next to nothing. Just as Mowbray has knackered up the efforts of the Commercial Department to drum up a bit of interest in the Club with the Sheff Utd promotion thanks to last night's shambles, so he will knacker up any good intentions the owners may have for the medium term if allowed to remain in his post. And, unfortunately,even for me it will become increasingly difficult to believe in the veracity of the owners motives if he and Waggott are not removed. We can't succeed with them in situ no matter how much money the owners pump in in good faith. If the owners are genuinely serious about reviving our fortunes Waggott and Mowbray HAVE to go. And quickly. How much better would the 146 year "celebrations" had been had they coincided with the unveiling of (say) Hughes or Wilder, Tom Finn, a proficient coaching staff and the the promise of a new era? Every day Mowbray and Co remain in their posts is another day wasted, and more fans potentially lost forever. -

I'm not particularly upset or even surprised by last night's defeat, a scoreline like that has been on the cards for nearly three years under Mowbray's tenure, the only real surprise is it took so long to finally happen. What did surprise me was his complete lack of contrition and sheer front in trying to insult the fans intelligence by suggesting 0-7 home defeats are just one of those things which can happen and the game could have gone differently and we just go again etc etc. Even by the standards of last season, for sheer brass neckery that marked a new low point imo. I'm convinced last season he thought he was going, the players thought he was going, the local press thought he was going and he said some quite ridiculous things to try and hasten a pay off which to everyone's amazement never actually came. Judging by last night's comments he still wants a pay off. We have no chance of moving on and/or improving until he goes.

Sums it up nicely.

How can you let them know what you think if you're not in the ground? Agree wholeheartedly with the rest.