Gav, I think you need to start coming to terms with the fact that the owners have no intention whatsoever of going anywhere for the foreseeable future and that therefore from a financial point of view we definitely will not suffer the same fate as Derby County. You may see that as a negative. I see it very much as a positive. The financial support will however continue to go to waste until they get the right manager in and the right people to run the Club on the ground and the right advice from all quarters that should be the focus of everyone's efforts imo.

He admitted he didn't offer improved deals to the players in question at the appropriate time as he didn't want to upset the rest of the squad so it is 100% his fault imo.

We ain't finishing top 6 or even top 10 if Mowbray stays imo. If he is allowed to see out his contract (and I have no idea whatsoever why he would be allowed to do so other than save a few pennies) then I would keep any spending in January to a minimum and allow more funding for a new man next season. It's still more important and economical in the long run to secure the futures of the soon to be out of contract players imo.

A manager that has allowed all our better players to get almost to the point of being able to walk out for free, and who has, but for the financial juggling with the STC and the Armstrong sale, almost landed us in severe difficulties with FFP? All the while whilst failing to crack the top 10 let alone the top 6? Are you mad, man?

People's frustration is understandable but..... 1) We are not dead. Very far from it in fact. 2) I know many people will disagree but imo a Club being run badly is not reason for the footballing authorities to intervene. They almost might as well stick their oar in if a Club was doing too well and upsetting the applicant if that was the case.

He doesn't need to be "sacked" at the end of the season, his contract expires then anyway. If a decision has (hopefully) already been made he is not to be awarded a new contract I agree completely there is no sense whatsoever in stringing things out.

Yep. Hughes and Tom Finn I'd go for.

It's a great point. Imo it's down to the owners being too lenient with people who win their trust as opposed to the conspiracy theory bollux we had 10 + years ago though. I certainly wouldn't mind if we ended up with HSH client Mark Robins either.

Im guessing you're being sarcastic in which case, don't be childish. It's perfectly legitimate for the LT to report the story as the allegations were made but that doesn't automatically mean there 's any substance to them. Why are you raking up non stories from 10+ years ago? If you want to criticise the owners there's a mountain of stuff you can legitimately go at surrounding their running of the Club over the years without descending back into the conspiracy theory nonsense.

Can't open the link. Is it the text where he's alleging they were made an offer of 80% to pay off their contracts. With all due respect to Salgado/ Nelsen et al I I don't think it's as sinister or straightforward as he is making out as under John Williams we had a raft of players in their 30's on ludicrous contracts who only had to play about 15 games to be guaranteed a new deal for the following year and obviously we had to get out of that cycle.

And what was the outcome of said investigation? I mean heaven forbid the employee in question had actually been sacked for stealing and was making stuff up. We haven't a clue one way or the other. But never mind it's an excuse to throw some mud around.

I'm the last person to defend Waggott but what was it he allegedly said ? "Tony made some bold calls with his job on the line". ? That's would hardly be a major surprise or giving away any state secrets after a record 0-7 home defeat, a desperately disappointing season last time out and all the better players moving nearer to being out of contract would it? Depending on the context of the conversation he could have been saying how well Mowbray had done and might not personally be in favour of moving him out. I doubt he has any real say in the matter anyhow other than give his opinion. They both have to go if we're to move on. Now would actually be a good time to do it with us in a reasonable position in the table. I see Miker above is already saying '"give him until the end of the season". If we do that, this season will be wasted, there's a fair chance next season will be another waste and surely the only faint chance of retaining the out of contract players lies in bringing in a manager and CEO they really believe in.

Yet we found Mowbray who you apparently seem to rate so highly when we were in a far worse position in the table If we're still fishing in the HSH pond I wouldn't mind Mark Robins at all.

I thought you favoured the head coach with a DOF model. Seem to recall you mentioning it once or twice!

Another potentially good one missed. Cue Gav to say everyone said the same about Warnock when he first went to Boro and Hughton! Personally I'd rather take the gamble and TRY to be more successful rather than sit there doing nothing because we happened to win the last game.

If that's the stance Waggott and the owners are taking, it's incredibly unprofessional. After three and a bit seasons in the Championship they've had ample time to assess whether Mowbray is the right man for the job or whether he's not. He clearly isn't and one good result shouldn't change that. (Same goes for Waggott himself)

Will you still support the Club if Mowbray does get a well overdue dismissal Gav?

I believe what you've posted..... but you certainly don't help yourself.

Not the firing bit but otherwise have heard very similar from someone else who has definitely had one to one contact with Waggott so these naysayers who doubt certain info being generously divulged when it doesn't actually need to be should get up off their backsides and make the effort to establish some contact themselves!

He isn't a decent Championship manager. He's shown he's adequate at League 1 level with a budget many times that of anyone else but has shown he is completely out of his depth at Championship level both on the pitch and off it in terms of results and as regards recruitment in terms of attracting new players and retaining the better ones already on the books. IMHO.

It's all well and good extrapolating the points total over 3 games but whether you take any of the last three seasons or calculate our points total from the last 46 games played all the evidence tends to suggest the manager is nowhere near good enough to deliver a genuine play off push. Could be wrong of course but it seems to me the proverbial case of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Perhaps we should try not training properly more often! Really wasn't expecting that, someone be it Mowbray or someone else really shook them up and I really really enjoyed it. I'd go as far as to say it's the best we've ever played under Mowbray. Terrible goal to concede after 1 min 17 s and the obvious thought was "here we go again" and heads could have dropped. However we gradually battled back and had the better of the rest of the first half and fully deserved our equaliser although it took a fortunate deflection. The second half was brilliant. We were like lightning on the break. Poveda was terrific (Where's that performance been?) Genuine wide men in their natural positions works. Whoever would have thought it? Further back Davenport and Travis were very good indeed and I thought Buckley had his best performance for the Club over 90 mins. In defence I love Wharton. I understand from someone who knows him he's Rovers through and through and I just think he does the basics you want from a defender. No frills but no messing either. Does what it says on the tin. I also think Wharton's so steady Lenihan looks better alongside him than anyone else. Only downside for me Edun. I think he's shocking defensively and is never a LB in a million years. Whether he could do a job in midfield remains to be seen, but is he any better than what we've already got.? Still want Mowbray gone before the next game but if he's still here by then, for God's sake man you've stumbled upon something that works, stick with it. Edit: And don't let Gallagher within a million miles of the starting line up. Mowbray out, Venus out, Waggott out. We caught a glimpse of what the future COULD be like today. Imo only under another manager and different management off the pitch as well though.

Have heard the same but I wouldn't hold too much store by it as I don't know if it originated from the same source. It looks to me like he's been trying everything he can to get sacked and paid off since the second half of last season but no matter what he does the bullet isn't forthcoming.

Be good to see Wharton back if he is playing. Send the Brighton lad back and save some money.

If 0-7 is when they're playing for the manager wouldn't like to see them when they're not. Stop fishing Gav.