Would anyone be that desperate?

That's a great point. The structure of the Raya deal is £3m loan fee and balance of £27m if it becomes permanent so we wouldn't lose out that much but I bet no-one at this end considered that possibility when we sold him in the first place.

Everything Waggott has done since he's been at the Club seems designed to try and discourage supporters from attending. I refuse to believe anyone could possibly be that stupid. I suspect he has an ulterior motive or agenda we're not yet privy to.

FWIW can this be brought up at the Fans Forum please? The Club can hardly complain about being short of money when they're pulling stunts like that.

Sympathy for Gallagher? You have to be joking. He's an overpaid waster who can't even be bothered to attack the ball and get himself in positions from which he'd be more likely to score. Even Mowbray told him in Public he needed to "get between the posts" more often years ago. To no avail. Hopefully his sale is simply being delayed until after the Court hearing after which it will be the sweetest £1.5 - £2m we'll ever receive if it goes through imo. You don't often get a second Christmas at the end of January.

Must be an echo in here!

It's not new it's from April 23 seemingly.

Christ I thought he was a female the way you just refer to him as Kimberley! Lol. So he was a scout for Celtic before coming here. Perhaps telling he has essentially only an Academy background like Broughton. Another one that needs the bullet (metaphorically speaking before J*B calls the Police) come the revolution.

Blimey. I think you've got completely the wrong end of the stick there J*B.

Who exactly is this Kimberley of which you speak and where has she popped up from?

Surely he can do better than Ennis/Hirst/ Telalovic and Wahlstedt though regardless of budget? And I'm sorry, imo there's NO excuse whatsoever for signing Ennis who isn't even fit enough for professional football. That would tend to indicate we don't do any due diligence or research into our signings

It implies blame if the manager leaves us in the same or a worse position than the one in which he found us or praise if he left us in a better one. I'm in the Camp that he left the Club in a very poor underlying state of health and I expected the wheels to completely fall off last season albeit I was 12 months out. You seemingly have the opposite view.

The obvious move isn't it.....must be more expensive/not as beneficial to certain agents maybe?

It would seem they don't care enough to play close enough attention to what he's up to as long as he meets some basic targets or he's acting strictly under instruction. But if the latter, why would they want the Club running into the ground?

You keep mentioning this as if I'd said Mowbray blew a £100m transfer budget. He obviously didn't but was very well backed overall in terms of transfer and wage budget and we lost c£20m p.a. for each of the 5 years he was in charge, so yes he went through £100m worth of owner funding with absolutely nothing to show for it at the end of the day. I don't even believe we stood still under him as he and Waggott failed to tie down key players and so he left us with half a team after the departures of Lenihan Rothwell Nyambe JPVH Khedra and the team finished the second half of his last season in relegation form even before that. If managers at other Clubs had performed similarly with similar funding I'd say they performed pretty disastrously as well.

We have a relationship with Brentford? Are they in the German 4th Division?

Not much point arguing about this at length, JH and you have your view and I have mine but you'd have thought GB would have outlined to them the basics of the deal and they'd have given the go ahead before GB went too far down the line with it. If GB didn't explain the financial ramifications properly that's on him.

Yep. No heads rolled which you would expect. Then again Shaw initially survived the Berg fiasco and Waggott escaped having to back down on the proposed sale of the training ground without censure so maybe it's just par for the course under their ownership.

Sometimes the most obvious explanation is the correct one and I think it's a bit of a stretch to attribute this to anything other than the grossest incompetence. Does it look more or less fishy that we cocked up 2 deals? This and a relatively low value one? Mind you IF the deals were deliberately sabotaged I don't think it would have come from the owners who would have had to ok the deals in the first place. More likely a certain penny pinching, cost cutting employee.

Never really understood that argument. Losses are still losses even if they can be used to reduce your tax bill elsewhere. You'd be better off without them.

The cock up looks a bit suspicious, but why would a cock up be ordered when they would have had to give the deal the go ahead in the first place? Also why waste money going to appeal? If you didn't want it to go through you'd save money and let it lie on the off chance any appeal was successful!

Fair comment. The story goes that all the land in and around Pune was divided up between their father and either one or two other local business men, I don't recall which.

I don't think it is, that's where their real wealth comes from.

Yes, but do they run their core businesses at home with ruthless efficiency? That was the point being made. If they do (which I have to doubt in the circumstances) then their ownership here admittedly looks even stranger.

Fascinating. Thank you. The main things I took from that is that there's a 15 minute Lee way period if you submit a quick application until 23.15 and the Club STILL couldn't submit the documents on time. Incompetence on a stunning level. Also when we received LOB's signed loan agreement back at 23.15 if we'd submitted it to the EFL instantly we might have got away with it but didn't submit it until 23.28. Unbelievable Jeff.