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Not like you to view all of the refereeing decisions Just ignoring the Hyam elbow completely? Debatable Dennis straight red? Is the clear penalty the one on Ohashi? If so, im not even convinced that it was a foul. But if it was, your eyes must be great to see exactly where any contact happened. The ref was shit but it wasnt purely in Norwich's favour.

Im sure youve been living under a rock for 14 or 15 years. Managers dont get backed here, and then leave.

A big thrill to get a late equaliser but ultimately only drawing sees us drop outside the play offs. There is some great character amidst adversity in this side but there are a number of question marks in terms of quality and I would think there is much more of a chance of us falling short. Overall it was a pretty poor performance and a game lacking in quality. Our midfield felt non existent at times especially in the first half with them regularly picking the ball and turning in dangerous areas and also they had 2 big chances. Forshaw struggled and Tronstad needs to start now hes back, Travis was also very shaky and hopefully Tronstad being next to him will help him. Dennis is an idiot and I dont get why our fans give such warm applause when a player is sent off. Some "significant investment." Hyam is also an idiot for leaving one on Gunn and any suspension would really weaken us as him and Carter are 2 good centre backs and Sanderson is massively inferior. Ribeiro is decent and Brittain again right up there with our top performers. Gueye did a few nice things without ever looking like scoring, Dolan was shocking and needs dropping, Cantwell was more involved but in the main poor, Kargbo gives us something different with his pace but often found wanting at the end of his runs with his end product. Still, an upgrade on our other wide options for sure. Weimann really has a knack for scoring goals. From the start hes usually anonymous but great run and header to equalise.

I think we know that like those before him, he wont.

How has Forshaw become a regular all of a sudden? I know Kargbo and Gueye are muslim but I wonder if they will be fasting? Could impact their energy levels over the next month.

Jason Lowe was playing in the Championship, Andrews was clearly a level above him. Akpan was as bad if not worse though.

And hes English so he cant be overrated.

The overreaction to peoples reactions about the letter are as bizarre as the overreactions themselves. Although I think to some it is a trigger to the boards incompetencr rather than an issue with anything Ismael has said. Probably didnt write it, even if he did, full of typical manager speak. Im sure he never has given 2 thoughts to our title win, and the rest is just standard manager speak like they all give. Not worth thinking about.

Cantwell doesnt scream an Ismael player at all. Ball usually in the air, and a strict discipinarian might see a repeat of his Rangers situation.

I know that you cant possibly fathom that there are any risks or any red flags associated with him as a manager so there is little point debating. There are potentially encouraging signs from his past and potential concerns from his past but you as ever can only comprehend the former. One result shouldnt have sped the process up either way, assuming it did. Because they should have already been doing the thorough process as urgently as they could. So either they wasnt, or they panicked upon the loss at the weekend and rushed. Ive no doubt that youll be unable to comprehend that and will miss the point and say something like they were getting the right man which I am aware of. My point is, no individual match either way should have changed the speed of the process, whether that be a win slowing them down or a loss speeding them up. As that would be an incredibly reactive way of doing things.

A regular criticism seems to be that he doesnt really have a plan B so I am not sure how adaptable he is. He moved away from his blood and thunder long ball style somewhat at Watford and that was his least successful spell in English football. Not being in a relegation battle doesnt mean that his time at West Brom or Watford wasnt unsuccsssful. Man City arent in a relegation scrap but they are still having a bad season. Lets hope we get more of Barnsley Ismael than West Brom or in particular Watford Ismael. The key is to accept that this prior evidence that he can do well at this level and also there is evidence that there are chinks in his armoury and he can underachieve. Anyone shooting down any possible criticisms and suggesting that there are no concerns or equally anyone saying outright that its a terrible appointment are IMO lacking any semblence of balance. I dont understand the idea of the Plymouth result speeding up the process. That suggests that either they didnt have any urgency or proactivity to begin with, quite likely, and/or they then rushed following a loss.

He really didnt have a period of time where we played hoofball to Armstrong. I suspect that such is your bizarre dislike of him where your hatred of him randomly spews out when he hasnt been previously mentioned, his time here has become an absolute disaster in your mind when all in he did a good job. For what its worth, every manager (and player) is here for the packet. In his last season, he publically showed his frustration at not getting funds either that summer or in January when he wasnt able to trade freely. On the topic of player treatment, all the players seemed to love Mowbray. Not the case with Tomasson (who I liked as a manager, again did a good yet flawed job in a different way) who seemed to be tactically ahead but lacking on the man management side. Coming back on topic, Ismael seems to also have history with man management question marks. Lets hope they dont happen here and he can get the players playing to their maximum.

Does your seat at Ewood face the pitch? Mowbray certainly had faults but he didnt play hoof ball to Armstrong. When he was up front, we tried to dominate the ball and it didnt work, so quite the opposite. Im sure Mowbray must have done something to you personally as your hatred isnt normal.

Not the most exciting appointment, and lots of red flags. Doesnt stay at places long, questions about his man management and also his ability to sustain his very direct style of football especially when teams learn how to deal with it. But equally it could have been worse and he did a very good job at Barnsley and although he underperformed in his subsequent 2 jobs, it certainly wasnt disastrous. A big shower of comments about getting behind him, giving him a chance and to stop being negative all on page 1. People do realise that being critical in any way of the appointment or raising any concerns doesnt equate to him coming out to a chorus of boos on Saturday? People will be behind him like they always are. But if they arent totally happy with the appointment, let them say so. Lets hope he has learnt from his mistakes and becomes less predictable in terms of his style of play, and also lets hope he fits our club similar to how he did at Barnsley. The likes of Karanka, Boateng and Boa Morte would have been the ones to avoid. Certainly much more to cling on to with Ismael in a positive way. But ultimately the shit show of how we screwed Eustace over and the underlying mess that remains made this a very difficult appointment, and its hard to just brush off losing a very talented manager in that way.

It seems counterproductive to either dismiss his time at West Brom/Watford or alternatively his time at Barnsley dependant on your overall opinion of the appointment.

Didnt expect to see posters falling over themselves boasting about recruitment that they have done in the past for their companies as a means of justifying/criticising the recruitment of a manager by a (dysfunctional) football club. But there you go.

Recruiting a football manager isnt really comparable to anything else.

To be fair, in his first season he mainly had Carter with him and he got player of the season.

Seems strange considering that he managed to get them into the play offs which was very impressive. Why doesnt he rate him? Purely on style? From what I have seen, its West Brom and Watford fans who dont rate him. He had really strong squads and after a decent start things soon went sour. I think you put up his record cropped from wikipedia. No, just the best players we have.

Am I right i thinking that you was (and may very well still be) very much for the appointment the other day?

Like I said, I am personally underwhelmed but not totally against it to the point that I can acknowledge reasons why he COULD be a good appointment. I personally see more points against than for overall but its a mixed bag. Are there any points against his appointment in your book? Even allowing for the fact that your overall opinion is that you are for Ismael being appointed, and acknowleding potential concerns would not change that overall feeling. For example, you said the other day that we need a manager for the "short, medium and long term." Ismael has NEVER stayed anywhere for very long. Any concern there?

To be fair to Pep, especially last season he had started to do things that moved away from certain principles. He had Haaland up front, he essentially had (and still has) played 4 centre backs and Ederson often goes long to Haaland. Their squad just has really aged and so many key parts are over the hill. De Bruyne is done for, Gundogan was when he left and it was strange that they signed him back, Walker lost his speed and was never the best defender, Stones' body seems to be unable to sustain itself at the top level and Bernardo Silva also is well past his best. The injury to Rodri was a killer too.

As others have said, win percentage stats are not the best barometer. A lot of his games are with dominant 2nd teams in the German lower leagues. PASK are also dominant in their own country. You look at West Brom, they had just come down and he was sacked within the play offs but they expected a top 2 place. Man City have won more games than Bournemouth this season, but youd be hard pushed to say that Guardiola is doing better than Iraola. (Just this season) You seem defiant and adamant that Ismael if appointed WILL 100% do a good job. Is that fair? You dont seem to have considered that he may not or raised any concerns. I am underwhelmed but obviously its not a hopeless, disastrous appointment and it could have been worse. He did a very good job at Barnsley to get into the play offs. And he has never totally bombed, he usually has a strong initial impact. He can be quite proactive in terms of making subs and his teams have to be fit. But there are red flags. He doesnt stay at teams very long. There are reports of issues with his man management and his style can be predictable (and boring) and it has felt from his previous clubs that other teams have soon sussed it out. And I dont think he did a very good job at West Brom or Watford. Do you acknowledge any of the above concerns, or have any of your own? Or are you 100% sure he is the perfect man for the job?

Everyone will give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him here. We dont need people going round suggesting that whoever is appointed will not have support because its untrue. Wagner's best job was a long time ago at Huddersfield. The 2 jobs he had abroad afterwards, he failed. Norwich he didnt "stink out" so I retract that somewhat but he wasnt seen as a big success there either and they got shut not long after full time of the play off battering.

I said with Edwards that even he wouldnt be the best choice and a downgrade on Eustace. He took Luton on in his last job in a not too dissimilar position to what we are in. Ismael did well at Barnsley but you are happy to dismiss the fact that he failed at both West Brom and Watford since then. His most recent track record is poor. His long ball and inflexible football can work initially but once the opposition cottons on and coupled with suggestions of poor man management, he doesnt stay at clubs very long. Does that not concern you? Wagner's football was not popular at Norwich who all think he relied on the sort of individual quality we simply dont have here. They did get into the play offs and surrendered in the semi finals. He did a great job at Huddersfield but it was a long time ago and he has a couple of failures on his CV since. You would probably have to say that Wagner would make more sense out of the 2. Ismael has a very specific, long ball focused style and I think when we dont have much time that it would be very difficult transition. His recent record is also worse than Wagner's considering that even though questions arise over how much credit he warrants for it, Norwich did make the top 6 last season. Ultimately, both are still somewhat living from glories a long time ago in their managerial career. Not comparing them like for like but Coyle did get Burnley promoted once upon a time. https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/24174605.watford-call-time-ismael-amid-bad-run/ Here is an article on Ismael at Watford, there was one similar posted about his time at West Brom.