roversfan99

Sometimes it does happen and it is unavoidable. Take Armstrong, a youngish attacking player, had outgrown the club, understandable that we couldnt keep him. (Shame we didnt reinvest ANY of that money) The problem here is that we cant agree deals at all. Its certainly not isolated examples. There is a clear desire to get rid of these players. They arent offered deals proactively, and we will not offer them reasonable Championship wages. 1 deal in nearly 2 years.

You seem (not from this post, in general) very pro Gestede, pro signing these randomers from here there and everywhere on the cheap from abroad, and have regularly gone out of your way to criticise Eustace both as a person and his approach, as well as any players leaving. Do you not have any concerns about the fact we cant agree any deals for seasoned and proven quality Championship players, and at where the club is heading? If what you have said is true, why are we still identifying and scouting players when we should already have sorted this key signing.

Maybe they will change formation. I dont know. Either way, he is a very good player at this level. You say they could sign 3 Championship players. They have already signed Lewis O'Brien, Ryan Hardie, Keiffer Moore, Conor Coady, Josh Windass etc. My point was merely that I wish our worry was whether in signing a proven Championship quality player, on top of loads more. That we may have overpaid. As opposed to seeing us get rid of most of our players and replace with cheap randomers on small wages.

You are just parroting whatever the club says. We only need a right winger and replacements. The issues have all come pre Ismael. Season of transition. The issues are not just historical. Yes, contracts should have been offered before and I was certainly stronger on that than you who told me to stop going on about it. But if those problems had been resolved, those deals could still be done in some cases. Take Hyam, even with a willingness to sign, we still are incapable of putting an improved deal in front of him. And you believe that its just all problems in the past? And things are different? Montgomery was playing in the 9th tier last season. Because of cut backs, hes just assumed as a ready made first teamer. Its not healthy. Theres a difference between bringing in players that are ready and just shoving loads within the first team squad at once regardless of readiness to hit arbitary targets and cut costs.

Why are you swallowing this "before he joined the club" shite? The problems are just as bad as ever. See Dom Hyam. He seemingly would sign now but we wont offer a reasonable wage. So what has changed? If he had come out post match on Tuesday and said, Montgomery was shit and Michalski was shit and they both really cost us. Would you have been happy with that? He would have been being honest. Its not just as simple as truth and lieing.

No one said to break it for one player. The issue is clearly how low that ceiling is in the first place. At least you are acknowledging the pattern. Couple of questions: - Do events of recent days and the potential to lose more key players in any way change your prediction of 6th? - you have been strong on certain opinions, justifying the clubs unwillingness to sign more than 1 more player, net of sales. You said I was wrong in suggesting that we cant just assume that say Montgomery/Michalski/Tyjon are all ready. And you previously have highlighted Kargbo as evidence of good recruitment. Have any of those opinions waivered?

You clearly didnt read the message you quoted properly.

Perhaps, but whoever had been in charge. Promotion would have been a long shot. The issue is that you perpetuate a myth that Venkys were ploughing £20m in as if it went on the team. Rather than just being a standard Championship situation whereby expenses are higher than the income clubs receive, so just raising funds to offset that to pay liabilities. Now you are saying that they only lost interest recently coinciding with the court case. They lost any flicker of initial interest very quickly after purchasing the club.

Also, did it take only until recently for Venkys to lose interest? They havent attended a game in about 10 years. Most summers saw minimal spending even before the court case.

He isnt why we are in the mess we are in now, at all. Seemingly, when you get a dislike of someone, it really sticks in your head permanently even if their spell here becomes an irrelevance. He hasnt been here for 3 or 4 years. This idea that he was purposely avoiding the massive pay rise that a promotion would bring just shows that hatred is coming in over any semblance of logic. But either way, hes been gone for long enough whereby any damage he personally did (which I cant see, youll have to be specific) would have worn off.

But it also wont work if we wont offer competitive wages, lose so many proven players simultaneously and replace them with random cheap players from lesser leagues. They do know what they are doing above Ismael. They are refusing to offer competitive wages, their only focus is cutting costs. But although they know what they are doing, its clearly not to the betterment of the football club.

Maybe they didnt, maybe they expected it. But it still would piss you off when it happens or you at least wouldnt agree with it or actively want it.

We had a number of spells with Waggott here where we did sort new deals. Notably one under Broughton and one under Mowbray. He clearly was never the reason as it doesnt make sense. It coincides with regular owner cutbacks.

What? Thats like saying if a manager knows that he has £100k transfer budget, how could he be mad that he doesnt have more when he knew they only had £100k. He has no control over budget. Purely from his perspective, his squad is being made massively weaker because we lack the willingness to finance and the proactivity to offer proper contracts. So we sign inferior crap. If hes on board and fully aligned then hes an idiot.

I dont know why you keep saying "historic failures" when the same idiots are running things. If Ismael is genuinely happy to see all of our proven Championship quality leave and be replaced by whatever we can pluck from random leagues for under a milion, then he is a bit thick. But more importantly, the removal of quality from our squad becomes more important than whether Ismael is "aligned" with the idea. With Hyam for example, it isnt historic. We are just choosing not to offer a proper contract. If we did he seemingly would sign.

That 1 minute at the end of a cup game was definitely primarily a play to get more money at tribunal.

His intentions are most likely that he is sat on a 3 year deal so not to rock the boat. Nothing sinister beyond that. He has shown signs of frustration already and he will be worn down at some point. They all have been.

I knew that would anger you more than it perhaps should.

I wish we were in a position where we were signing a proven, very good Championship winger but worrying that we overpaid.

Yes, I am sure he is against keeping all of our best players. His wishes are irrelevant.

The damage doesnt seem to have been done on Hyam, or maybe Tronstad. We are just refusing to offer them any sort of rise.

Are we seeing the pattern in senior players not renewing their contracts yet?

I dont think it was a "massive mistake." He cost a nominal fee and has seriously declined since suffering 2 bad hamstring injuries. I dont think he has been a good signing though. I cant understand why we extended his deal. Well, I can. Because I suspect his wage isnt that high.

He did.

I see the owners aided by their minions Suhail and Rudy are keen to make our 150th season a memorable one by getting rid of good Championship players and replacing with cheap crap from here there and everywhere which will lead to League 1. Clearly also keen to push a narrative of helplessness through the media and also Ismael. He has had question marks over man management in the past and he is happy to throw players under the bus in public if need be. People lap up his "honesty" but I suspect the squad wont appreciate it. People also seem keen to underestimate the importance of these players. Talk of Tavares off the back of one decent game against Bradford's second string being an able replacement for a midfielder who has proven to be a good Championship midfielder over a number of seasons. Hyam has never been popular but hes our best centre back and has excelled in 2 of his 3 seasons here.