roversfan99

But like I said, young players who are good enough will break into the team regardless, but we cant rely on them to do so and leave ourselves short if they arent. There are plenty of examples of Championship sides having experienced players who have helped achieve promotion, just because the individuals we have signed in the past have not been entirely successful and havent led us to promotion doesnt mean we should avoid it. Hourihane played a squad role at Sheffield United who have starting midfielders far better than ours and did a capable job when called upon.

He has never shown crossing capabilities regardless of who has been in the box, it isnt a tactical issue that he has been victim of. Defensively very capable but inept going forward.

If your attitude is "enough to finish mid table" then what is the point? Having a sprinkling of experience not only can improve your results in the short term but it can help the development of the youngsters. They can be on a hiding to nothing if too many kids are chucked in at once and they can learn from senior pros. I think as an option in the centre of midfield, not necessarily as a starter every week but he could compete and potentially balance with say Travis nicely. Then sign at least one other in there who is of a good age with room for development. Any youngsters good enough will break through, you cant avoid experience and force the issue though.

I dont think Nyambe suits being a wing back as he is hopeless going forward. The alternative would be right centre back which perhaps suits him more but it seems a well stacked position. Wilder said the other day that it will be McNair and Dijksteel competing for that place whereas they had Tommy Smith on trial as a sub wing so I presume that Nyambe will be seen as a wing back, in which case its an odd signing.

So would you be opposed to signing someone who is say 30/31? We have a lack of experience, even if we felt that the younger players are on par ability wise which would be a huge assumption in itself, then they would lack senior players beside them to show them the way.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclusive-middlesbrough-set-to-sign-ex-blackburn-rovers-man/ Nyambe going to Boro according to this. They play 3 at the back so im not sure its a club that he suits but suppose its about money so fair enough. They also have Jones at right wing back who is a key player.

Inside info that turned out to be as accurate as the rest of the ITK stuff recently! I thought you said he would be a good signing, my mistake.

Based on that last sentence that you would "rather" sign the players we want, as if its a choice of speed and quality, ill assume you arent reading what I am saying.

Well obviously. But improving the squad and allowing time for preparation will improve the chances.

We cannot afford to underestimate the importance of a good start to the season. I do not have great expectations of things unfolding like it needs to, as you say we often leave it to the last minute. Fingers crossed we are pleasantly surprised.

That is 7 games into the season. The key surely is the squad on the 30th of July, with anything after that just being the cherry on top.

Sterling going to Chelsea it seems. Potentially a good deal but they surely are crying out for a central striker?

The problem is that Venkys have regular spells where they totally withhold funding, take last summer, which was the start of a new financial year, we sold Armstrong and didn't even spend 2 or 3 million on the next asset, which is not showing full commitment to this supposed plan, and it is also short term thinking when the expectation is that the majority of those assets are sold on at profit. The way they interfered with the Rothwell deal again is inconsistent to the supposed Brentford model. It has to be constant, Brentford keep selling and instantly buying replacements and it was constant. The accounts showing the Armstrong sale and the likely imminent Brereton sale have yet to be released, but I certainly don't agree with this statement in general, but it's too much of a long winded debate.

I might be mistaken but did you once either suggest him as a potential good signing (I think it was before Kaminski signed) or went to great detail to defend him following a rumour that we wanted him?

No one has ever said that we need to just panic and sign bad players, its a straw man argument because time and quality are not mutually exclusive. It is a reasonable expectation to bring in quality AND to sign at least a large proportion of summer signings as soon as possible well in advance of the season to get them integrated. It is important to start the season well. I have no doubt that you will repeat the response that you aren't panicking and it is about quality without acknowledging that there should ALSO be a desire to get players in sooner rather than later if at all possible to prepare to start the season well. The Brentford model is not comparable unless we scrap the academy and start using a B team, which obviously is unwise. It also requires continuous commitment from the owners to reinvest part of any fees received which history shows doesn't always happen.

We may have a bit of leadership and experience but to me there is not enough, and as another poster pointed out, if we want to continue to bring through youngsters they need that bedrock of a core of experienced players. Travis seems like a leader but is still only 24 and can struggle controlling his emotions and I am not sure that Dack screams of being a huge leader. I thought that our squad last year could have done with a touch more experience and players that have been there and done it and losing our captain and also an experienced squad player who has been there and done it only furthers that point. Someone like Hourihane could have provided a really shrewd replacement for Johnson; much more useful on the pitch considering that he is a fair few years younger, wouldn't necessarily play 46 games but he showed his worth at Sheff United last season too. As it is, I suspect that the main block in getting experience in is money. I am not convinced that we went to Portugal and used that as some sort of definitive judgement on what we need to bring in, the gaps in the squad are obvious, they mentioned going straight to the transfer market when they arrived and the week is just fitness work in early pre-season without even having a game to judge them. I am sure that Tomasson is always learning about the squad but for example doing mainly fitness drills for a week isn't going to change the fact that we need at least one centre back having lost 2 key ones, that we only have Travis as a central midfielder etc. They have been in situ for a few weeks now so to expect signings well in advance of the season isn't generally an unrealistic aim. It certainly wasn't a case of me putting all of the blame on the new manager, he was already at a disadvantage being appointed well into the off-season and I would be the first to agree that a Venkys run club is always a further disadvantage. But ultimately I am judging what the intention should have been against what happens and just hope we get some good players in soon to help a very light looking squad.

Do we have a DNA? If it is in bringing through youngsters, fine but we have lost our captain and also our most experienced player from an already inexperienced squad so we need at least a couple of more experienced players regardless of ideals about DNA. The specific names you mention in the main are underwhelming aside from Hourihane who I think would have been a good player to have, good on the ball, very good left foot, experienced and has proven himself at this level over a number of years. Also, we cannot afford to allow further time to pass on the basis that we want outs first, we need the bulk of our business to be done before the season, ideally in the next week or so to allow the new players to gel, they have already missed the Portugal trip and likely the first friendly. Brereton will be going but that situation may rumble on beyond the first game so we simply cannot wait. With Ayala, we don't know if he will go, if he does then we should just an additional vacancy that we need to fill.

The Brentford model is nothing like what we see at Rovers. Firstly, we are placing focus on the academy. Brentford disbanded their academy team to cut costs and have a B team instead. You mention reinvestment of say 50%. That clearly isn't happening here. Investment is random and usually below that marker, see last summer where it was essentially nil. Brentford regularly reinvested in cheaper "rough diamonds" and then sell them on and instantly replace. If it was about FFP, they would have done the full pitch renovation. It isn't. There is not some grand plan on behalf of their owners, or if there is, it isn't evident.

I remember seeing him a few times for Forest and he seemed to make a bad mistake in every game. Seems to be a modern day keeper whereby actual goalkeeping competence is not a priority in seeking someone who is ok with their feet.

Why is it quality OR speed in your eyes? Of course we need quality and that goes without saying really, but it is a genuine point to want at least a large proportion of the summer business to be done well in advance of the first games. It is not one or the other. It is important to start well and key to that is getting players integrated in pre season together. WHEN the players are signed isn't the irrelevance you make out, for example it would be no good getting all of the players on the last day of the window, 7 games in!

If its shared in confidence then you surely wouldnt try and verify it by saying that others know without saying who they are! I choose to go off your track record which is shocking to be fair. Agreed on the 12 years of despair and I am not confident about our window either.

He was here before we signed anyone last summer. He was the one who apparently initially spotted Khadra, ultimately it is hard to judge on such a small budget last season in only one season.

Not that 2/3 random other posters could verify it, but who? Even if it was true, as I said that alone doesn't necessarily mean the sort of despair you are trying to provoke is justified. McGoldrick is also going to Derby ahead of Sheff Utd, again with a likely carrot of regular football.

That Muric is an absolute disaster. I hope you sign him!

I don't get why it is often spun back to mindsets and people being positive or negative. Surely expecting loads and being underwhelmed is even more frustrating?