Where is this from? Says in the LT that we want Markanday and another forward from abroad on a loan deal. Surely would be surprise if a second division French team loaned out their best player?

Its harder to judge than many because there is no senior football to go off. Whether its full games or even things that are inherently flawed like highlight video reels, data and second opinions become even less reliable when they are solely based on kids football. You say seems decent enough, what makes you say that specifically? Not being negative, I am genuinely in the dark on him. Low fee with huge incentives so low risk on that score. Lets hope he grasps the nettle if he does sign and really hits the ground running and makes the fee look like pocket money.

Totally agree with the stance, but 150 million! Obviously never gonna happen but I wouldnt blame the club for taking that.

I have no idea if O'Riley is good or worth a particular fee. I dont recall seeing him, as I said my point was generic about a permanent signing for over a million to impact now and in the future. On the Spurs forward, hard to get overly excited about a player that has not really played first team football, will he really impact on a promotion push? Although based on the comments from Spurs fans albeit based on kids football and the permanent contract, I hope that he turns into shrewd bit of business and a quality player over time and wouls love an instant impact. To conclude, ive no idea, no one can really as hes not played senior football.

I would love to be. But Van Hecke was bought for 2.5m prior to 2 loan spells where his value will have gone up and Khadra wont be cheap either. Plus both I suspect will surely fancy getting into a PL team eventually, so even if they fancied a move and we could afford it, it would make sense from their side to see if we go up. Its interesting with Buckley, I do think that his biggest strengths are his winning the ball back high up and his through balls, both of which are best served from his current position. He has not yet shown that he can dictate games, we dont as a team really. The thing is though, a fully fit and on form Dack would start and offer us a whole new dimension offering a secondary regular goal threat. They will be good headaches to have.

I dont think either would commit to joining now nor could we afford either unfortunately.

I cant see us having any chance of getting either of those loanees here permanently next season. Van Hecke cost 2.5m and is on his second successful loan spell since and Khadra will also surely cost a fee beyond our means at Championship level.

You clearly again have chosen not to read what I have put. I made it very clear that my comments were not player specific and that I have never seen him. Your nonsense about negotiating, obviously I am not suggesting to just agreeing to the first fee requested. My main 2 points were: - That I liked the idea of signing a player for a decent fee who might not instantly make the 11 but would certainly genuinely push strongly to be it and would contribute heavily this season, whilst also being here long term for if we (thinking prudence here) are in the Championship next season to fill the Rothwell void. A short term AND long term thinking deal. - That I would be a disappointed if a player for less than £2m would be automatically deemed as unaffordable. 150m? Is it down to management if they don't have the financial budget to be able to satisfy the out of contract players? We have offered as much as we can go to according to Waggott. I misread the headline, I am aware that the sale of an asset is recorded on profit. But I take exception to making wild assumptions like fact comment. My stance on the recycled FFP line is that I cannot fathom why people just naturally assume that anytime the taps are turned off, that it is purely because of FFP, and indeed that Venkys would throw much more money at it if they could. To me, there is no evidence or reason to think this, and indeed it is others who are making out wild assumptions to be fact and I am skeptical of that. Why has it not been announced?

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19676622.blackburn-rovers-training-ground-sold-16-6m-new-venkys-company/ Sems that the value of the "sale" was over double the 8m.

One that I think that we have been linked with before, according to Sky Sports is going to Cardiff: Manchester City midfielder Tommy Doyle is set to join Championship side Cardiff on loan until the end of the season. The deal would come after ending Doyle's current loan spell at Hamburg. He would then join Cardiff with the aim of achieving more playing time in order to aid his development. If a deal can be agreed in the coming days, a medical should be completed imminently.

Isnt it the biggest strawman argument ever to suggest for someone to buy the club themselves 😂 No one has suggested spending 10m.

Those defending Venkys pre-empting a window with minimal spend seem to focus their argument as if the counter argument is wild, aggressive spending that will lead us into an embargo, something that nobody has suggested. There is also this constant "reminder" that Venkys are 200m down, and spend 20m a year. (which I believe is a one off and is not a common theme to have a loss quite that high) I think it is a little deceitful in that, I cannot argue that that much has been spent, but it implies that it has been done so out of ambition, which is clearly wrong, lets not get that confused. It is that much because of them, and the "investment" is actually merely them raising share capital in another company to offset the fact that one of their businesses is spending more than it is receiving. Take the link for this Matt O'Riley for example, I am very much using it as a general example because I do not know the player well, but taking him as a young player starring in League 1. In theory a player of that supposed calibre (not player specific) ticks all boxes, he wouldn't walk into our team now but he would provide much more stern competition and an added dimension to our squad for the promotion push. If we go up, great, Rothwell may sign up long term and we just have another long term asset who has helped us this season. More prudently, if we don't go up, Rothwell most likely leaves in the summer and we have a potential replacement already at the club, one less space to fill. Come the summer, we likely will have another big fee but numerous holes to fill, there is one less. Yet £1.7m is apparently beyond our means. The key is the timing, and the potential reward. This window seems particularly critical in that in a summer window, you don't know really how a season will turn out. Now we are 3rd, really in a genuine promotion push rather than with a fleeting outside hope of sneaking 6th place. Add to that the prudent potential scenario of numerous gaps in the squad, players will need to be signed in the summer and if we stay down, Brereton will no doubt be off so another substantial fee. Instead of waiting to replace all of the potential leavers to the summer, why not do a few now, sandwiched between (worst case scenario, if we dont go up, being prudent) 2 major sales, to give us much more quality competition in our promotion push?

But equally its risky to potentially leave ourselves vulnerable to injuries/suspension/covid. Our depth beyond the first 11 is pretty crap.

Well I don't, but it seems a hell of an assumption considering that the CEO or manager has never suggested this season that FFP is a reason for the cutbacks. It is also used as an excuse by some (for some reason) to justify any break in spending, as if it is assumed that we are always on the border of FFP. The accounts show the losses but not all expenses are eligible under FFP rules. To be honest though its a conversation that has been done a thousand times, if people want to assume that we are continiously spending exactly on the border of FFP regulations then that is fine and a valid opinion against my opinion. .

Going into a crucial part of the seaaon, you cant have enough attackers. But if its just 1, then id rather go for someone who has senior experience and has proven an ability to score goals rather than a total punt based on kids football.

If it is just one, then id like someone with senior experience.

I have said before that not all of the information needed for FFP calculations is in the public domain and also why I dont think we are on the border of regulations. I cant be arsed debating it again in detail, if you choose to assume that every single time we dont spend its down to FFP. The key thing is as you said that we dont know how much money we will spend, maybe Venkys will surprise me and I can credit them for showing ambition. Back to this potential signing, his lack of senior experience worries me but as a low cost buy with another striker it could be a smart move.

Yeah Carroll would be a terrible signing.

For a Championship club, they become a crucial part of recruitment if you get it right.

There is the obsession with sanctions even now but there have not been any suggestions from the club that we are on the borderline, we had the training ground sale last year, we have the Armstrong sale this year and a likely Brereton sale next year as a contingency plan. Often those who bring up FFP try and make out as if the 2 options are total frugality or wild, risk seeking spending. There is a middle ground. A constructive commitment of less than half of the Armstrong money.

I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of the owners. Obviously it is not their job to differentiate between positions etc. They cover the losses that are incurred which are much higher than they need to be down to their own negligence, their "financial support" isn't them throwing money fuelled by ambition. But a few points: - We make such big losses because of Venkys. No joined up thinking, no long term plan. The ideal model would be that we can sell on assets, buy again and repeat the process, but because of such a strict wage ceiling, those assets are allowed to run down their contracts. - We have a net spend this season of over minus 10 million, plus considerable wage savings. A fraction of that spend at a point in which we have a good chance of promotion is a small risk for a potentially gigantic reward. - The owners have appointed and left in charge an incompetent CEO who doesn't understand the town nor the buying habits of the fanbase. You seem to imply that it is the supporters responsibility without saying as such, either way that is a common illogical way of looking for it. There are different types of supporters at EVERY club, the hardcore who go regardless, a minority in boycott, those who would go but for personal circumstances/time, those who would but can't afford, and the floating fans who need enticing. It is only the clubs responsibility and no one elses to get attendances high. Our policies for years have been terrible, why haven't Venkys replaced Waggott? I am not expecting or asking for huge purchases, big wages and big risks. A fraction of the Armstrong sale invested on maybe a couple of permanent and a couple of high quality loanees to boost the squad which is very light and weak beyond the first 11. We also have a likely Brereton sale in the summer if we don't go up so with 2 summers making us so much money from only 2 players, we should go all out to get Nyambe, Rothwell, Lenihan and Travis signed too. We are in an unprecedented position under Venkys, and promotion would be a gamechanger.

The reason that we didn't expect to be in this position isn't part of a masterplan by the owners that we didn't notice. The owners didn't show the levels of interest to judge the manager on his results last season, nor to provide a competitive budget, leaving us a star striker and a number of players short and with 4 cheap loanees and a cheap sub left back coming in. Sometimes the stars align, the manager has unexpectedly done brilliantly to cast aside any thoughts of stubbornness and change the tactics and also come up with a formation that has worked really well. Add that to a number of players either staying fit, coming to the fore and of course chuck in the Brereton story and things are going well. But now we are very much in a brilliant position to push for promotion, so now is the time to strike whilst he iron is hot. If by the current powers you mean the owners, then they certainly have not ever earned the right for us to trust them. The manager has called out for resources to boost the squad, rivals are strengthening, not having a reasonable budget will not be a master stroke, and any success after that would be further credit to the manager and in spite of that decision. Alternatively, if they choose to give a few million to spend, then they would be credited for showing some ambition.

That is a big issue with loans and why it is key to getting it right. But ultimately, there is no point getting ones who come with no expectation of playing, even if that means financial penalties are a risk. We need players to really push and improve us.

I am not dismissing loans, I have I think more than many been very positive towards the idea of clubs on limited budgets at Championship utilising the loan market like we have done in the last few years, the key is ultimately to get players that are better than we could otherwise afford. My points firstly on the individual are that he has not played any first team football. Elliott had played a bit, Adarabioyo had played a season, Reed a bit more than that, Harwood Bellis only a few cup games, so I am not ruling out that if this Spurs lad did join, that he could have an immediate impact, but it is so hard to know. It is impossible to judge a player's performance and readiness for a first team environment when playing in the sanitised environment of kids football. Him as a permanent development project (around the first team obviously otherwise he wouldn't come) as well as a loan signing for the here and now might be the way to go perhaps. My second point is that I think that IF we don't spend a reasonable amount in this window, perhaps 3-4m, maybe even 2-3m, a fraction of the Armstrong money, considering the situation we find our self in and also the lack of depth that we have, it would say a lot about the ambition (or lack of) of the owners. The January window is a strange one. Teams can often expect a premium but there are also lots of players about with 6 months on their deals who we could look to attract.

Was that ever confirmed, or did it turn out to be nonsense based on some sort of assumed social media link between the club and one of his relatives?