roversfan99

I am only talking about at Rovers, my comments are not based on what the normal way that data is used, my comments are based around what I perceived to be chaddys naivety in regards to the functioning of our club, especially on the recruitment side of things, armed with numerous years poor recruitment, including the time those deals have taken to complete. Your ability to use data I took for granted as being reputable, no reason to doubt you even prior to your qualifications, but my comments were not about data, or "how things work," they were about my low expectations in regards to the inefficiency and lack of quality, care and organisation that seemed evident in regards to our recruitment. Out of interest, which clubs and to what degree have you experienced the recruitment side of things within professional clubs?

My post was not a criticism, it was just pointing out to chaddy that how you feel the club operates in your opinion does not prove or disprove my opinion, which is that I feel that it is naive and goes against everything we have seen to date to suggest that our scouting network has adequately and effectively put together detailed lists outlining targets for every position, knowing these players are achievable and ones for whom the work is already in place. Our transfer strategy is consistently haphazard, many deals done based on previous contacts, most of our business done near the end of transfer windows, therefore I have no confidence that such chaos will change anytime soon. There is also the issue surrounding the manager, I sadly expect him to remain, and he will have his own targets not agreed upon always by the data gurus, and that would be the case should we appoint someone else too. You go into dangerous ground if you sign players selected by analysts without the full agreement of the manager. Some of the stuff you mention, that we have lists for example of targets, Mowbray has publically mentioned these in the past so that is a safe assumption to make, although going back to my point, I would not expect that at this stage, considering the way our club lacks proactivity at every level, that numerous targets are ready to go as I mention in my opening paragraph. The assumption can never be made that our club is run in any way efficiency, it clearly is not, the manager has no clue on his future or indeed on his budget, and wont anytime soon with our absent owners. In regards to the last comment you make, of course. Ultimately, if you pass on an opinion based solely or even partially based on data, it is no more valid than an opinion without using the data, again as far as I am aware you have never claimed otherwise.

To be fair, he did play central in the first half and was equally poor. As much as the strikers on the wing experiment is bollocks, and I had Wycombe commentary on who were baffled themselves by it, the main problem was spending 5m on him. Sums Mowbray up, poor recruitment exasperated by weird tactics.

Joe may claim knowledge on data etc and how it is used, but his opinion is no more valid than anyone elses, nor is is it factual. He does not know the exact inner workings at Rovers, or indeed if we have a list of numerous targets and are well organised behind the scenes, and of course even more importantly, if our targets are any good. I have never suggested that data shouldnt or isnt used at our club at any point, im sure it is, whether it used effectively or indeed whether any players identified are any good is a different matter. Nothing that has happened in the past suggests that the recruitment side of our club is efficient, well oiled, consistent or capable of identifying good players. It seems a haphazard mis match of a bit of everything. Because he doesnt know and is talking out of his arse, again.

I thought that after June 21st, if all goes to plan, social distancing rules go out of the window? May be a lack of understanding on my part or me missing something.

By the time the new season comes about, wont restrictions on numbers be a thing of the past?

I will, I have missed it, partly the social aspect with my mate, I will get a discount due to having bought one this year, and ultimately I have never been able to stop attending or dilute my interest, even this season I have watched every game, and in times under Coyle and Kean. That is in no way a representation on my opinion on Mowbray which is very much that I want him out as I have done so for a while.

This isnt me denying or indeed dismissing the use of data analysis, im sure that like all clubs we use it some degree. My opinions on the limitations of data firstly do not mean that I dont think it has any use, and has no relevance to the point I was making. I dont think that at Rovers, we have the organisation or indeed competence to have everything in place whereby a new manager just comes in and has a ready made list of fully researched and scouting players for each position, or indeed would be willing to sign those players necessarily anyway. We may use data, but that automatically doesnt mean that we use it well, and was not the point I was making. I dont see how suggesting that Pickering hasnt kicked a ball for us it putting him down, like me saying that Rankin Costello is injury prone, both are facts. My opinion on Dolan and Buckley certainly isnt that they can or should be starting every week, I do not see them as regular Championship players at this stage, especially for a team who should be in the top 6 as you believe we can. I dont get why you think I am defending Mowbray, you have just recently decided that you want him out and seem to think now that I dont. Obviously his recruitment has been shocking, hence why with Dack out and Armstrong gone most likely next season, whoever the manager is, I feel like avoiding relegation is the first priority, top 6 seems a world away. Obviously it is a terrible representation on Mowbray that the squad is quite as bad as it is.

Think its totally unjustified personally to suggest that those 3 in a back 3 would be competent at Championship level at this stage.

A new manager is definitely needed but there is not much to write about with our squad, too many players who supposedly could do better in different circumstances despite never having proven as much in their career including here.

Rankin Costello is made of glass and soon to be out of contract, Nyambe is out of contract and seems destined to leave, Buckley and Dolan have not really done anything certainly to be "built around" and Pickering hasnt kicked a ball here yet. I dont really understand why you seem to think that the club is fine aside from the management, as if the owners are interested, that Pasha has the authority and competence to sack Mowbray, that the scouting network is running to perfection.

My point was that they are only mentioned because they played here in the past. Totally against us cobbling together managerial teams with nostalgia or sentiment playing even a 1% part in it. I never have defended the position of Venus and Lowe, obviously with Mowbray they should go.

So depressing again seeing how poor this squad is, needs both a new manager and a total reset button pressed to avoid a relegation scrap next year. Brereton is just an absolute joker. Gallagher was equally poor central as he was wide, touch of a donkey, no goal threat, often offside breaking attacks down. Holtby seemed a huge signal of intent, a closer look and he has lived off his early supposed promise and 3 German caps at a time when they were establishing themselves, he looks out of his depth at this level. Rothwell is continuously invisible. Trybull bog standard, Elliott has been poor for months, Dolan and Buckley may aswell have not come on, Johnson and Downing ready for the knackers yard. Rankin Costello clearly not a full back and is far too injury prone to be overly concerned about his contract.

My point was about the current squad, I feel like it is shoddy and massively overrated even now. If he played here instead, if he got a run of games, if he had better coaching, just a lot of players that arent very good and have done precious little in their careers. Not much in that 20 man squad today to build around, to be excited about.. I dont doubt that there are good players out there, although I dont share your optimism especially based on what we have seen to date that we have organised lists of players for various positions ready for us to hit the button on. Even if we have a good summer, I suspect we will be looking downwards rather than towards the top 6 this summer, especially if/when Mowbray remains.

Would definitely take Ainsworth over Mowbray, but shouting from the touchline is irrelevant. People dont care what a winning manager does on the touchline. Also dont get the clamour for nostalgic appointments on the coaching staff in the meantime. I still would like to think that there is someone on the continent that we could potentially bring in like quite a few times have had success doing. Sadly, Mowbray will be here next season and as you touch on it has removed any belief, hope and enjoyment. 0 goals this season, and very much a parody figure. Possibly the only striker in the league less effective than our 2 clowns! Mind you, a tad cheaper.

It feels like we are stuck between a rock and a hard place, the natural course would be to allow his contract to expire at the end of the season presuming that no one wants to buy him in the summer and he carries on stinking the place out, although I fear that a face saving contract extension will be on its way. His shooting is an absolute embarrassment.

I must say, the insistence that Pasha can or indeed will sack Mowbray seems a little premature and hopeful at this time.

He thinks that Mowbray is the messiah based on your earlier comments, although adds context when he instantly admits that he has barely seen us play.

Im not sure that there is much quality in that 20 man squad today.

Not here they arent, and the majority of the time since has been in empty stadiums. It wouldnt have made a slight bit of difference.

Absolutely shocking from a gutless and talentless squad assembled by a manager who cant believe his luck under owners who couldnt give a shit. Gallagher equally incompetent from either position, a 15-20 goal striker under a decent manager my arse, Brereton is an embarassment, for Holtby, Rothwell and Rankin Costello the question should not be whether they want to stay, its whether we want to keep them, none have done anything close to guaranteeing having any power over signing a new deal, Elliott really poor again but of course a "privilege" that he has come on loan, Trybull a waste of time.

I wanted him out from I suspect maybe slightly before then, but what does this even mean? None of us want Mowbray to stay now, not even chaddy, yet it doesnt make one blind bit of difference.

With this current squad minus Armstrong and Dack, unless we have a brilliant summer which never is the case, and of course worsened if Mowbray is still here, which I suspect he will be, weve a real dogfight on our hands next season. Play offs my arse.

Im not saying dont offer him a new deal, but if he is unwilling, then he wont really be missed, hes never fit and not the most comfortable even when he does play.

Each game just makes me feel more and more glum about how poor or squad is. 12 worth of forwards who cant control the ball, cant stay onside, cant hit a clean shot, under any manager, they are poor players. Holtby living off a reputation from 10 years when in fact his career has been full of unfulfilled promise and mediocrity, Rothwell again invisible, and Rankin Costello with injury proneness that makes Vince Grella look robust after a really shaky performance, does anyone overly care if he doesnt sign a new deal?