Most people "right-size", that is move to a property of a similar size with the facilities they want at their stage in life, but that's another argument.... I'm not sure what the point is that I've missed and I admit that I may not have understood the argument, but to assume bad faith isn't right.

I've had a look, and the read the responses and have been involved, in a tangental way, in similar schemes, where funds have to be realised to build something new. I'd also like to hear a detailed account of how the scheme will work from the club. That doesn't amount to blind optimism - far from it actually. There is of course an underlying issue here, which is how do fans expect the club to carry on spending on the ground, players and so on, without raising money. We are, if I understand correctly, £250m in the red. And I don't have much time for Waggott and co. So we are in a very precarious position due to Venkys, but right now, I'm not sure what our options are.

I can't pretend to understand the detail of a scheme like this and I'm surprised others can make definitive statements about the design and so on, but if the motivation is to improve facilities by selling some of the land then I kinda get that.

I've seen worse from Waggott. I think his core argument makes sense - to build a new facility, you can use an asset you have.

You can add Kaminski and Rothwell as good buys and he's brought on a bunch of young players through. He also, and critically, gave the fans something to believe in after a the mad years. Apart from that.....

It was a joke - sorta.

Yes, almost as bad as Dalglish.... None of those name are hugely exciting.

It is valid. What isn't so much is playing Dack left.

Hmm. Waste taxi drivers time.

It's difficult to argue with that.

Very poor second best. Once again the midfield area is weak, the balls to the front players not good, an d the young lads at the back are under a lot of pressure. I think we will concede two or three more.

Following the wrong team fella

Two teenagers being bullied.

Let's get a win.

An inappropriate way to treat a man that has done a lot for the club.

He fell out with Souness.

I can't feel anything but real sadness about TM's position at the moment. IMHO he's done his best for the club from day one. Comparisons to Kean and Coyle are either the drink talking or purposely designed to inflate the situation. There is no doubt that we are all very disappointed, but I do appeal to Rovers fans to stop with the personal abuse aimed at TM, here and I'm sure elsewhere on the 'net.

Off to FB. Had enough for today.

1-0 down.

been here for 20 years fella

Difficult arguing with a post like that. Impossible actually.

Sometimes I think the internet was a bad invention.

Give over.

The rest of us suffer, what makes you special?

Well, he's responded to poor performances with a bold move, so let's see how it goes......