superniko

Yeah it’s harsh, but more importantly it was completely stupid. Not a chance it’s rescinded.

Buckley giving away a penalty and a petulant red card within a week. Back to the reserves for the rest of the season little boy.

There was something flashed up that had us 2nd in the league for passes in our own half but 21st (or there abouts) for passes in the opposition half all season. ’style of play’ - yawn

Relegated teams and their parachute years performance 2016/17 Hull finished 18th, 13th, 24th (relegated to L1) Boro finished 5th, 7th, 17th Sunderland finished 24th (relegated to L1), 5th, 8th in league 1 2017/18 Swansea 10th, 6th, 4th (losing in playoffs) Stoke 16th, 15th, 14th WBA 4th, 2nd and promoted 2018/19 Cardiff 5th, 8th, 18th Fulham 4th and promoted Huddersfield 18th, 20th, 3rd (losing in playoffs) 2019/20 Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford all went up within 2 years 2020/21 Fulham promoted WBA 10th Sheff Utd 15th So in conclusion, over the last 5 years only 6 times a team that were relegated went up within their 3 years of their relegation (and 3 of those were in the same year which is probably where this narrative is coming from) Brighton, Brentford, Huddersfield, Wolves, Sheff Utd, Leeds, Forest, Cardiff, Fulham have all gone up in that period without parachute payments. Not sure about your clear facts

This parachute payment nonsense is just a layer mash potato brain has added in now that it’s clear performances are dire to back up his all out opinion. I think there are 5 clubs in receipt of parachute payments (Burnley, Sheff Utd, Watford, Norwich, West Brom), with Huddersfield receiving their final payment too if we include them. Given our Cat 1 academy, stability in this league, not having to overhaul overpaid players (Stoke, Swansea etc.), owners putting money in to keep us afloat (see Derby/Coventry) and fairly level spending with non-pp clubs over the years (most of the league has a better net spend than us over ~4 years), we should accept nothing less than 7th place at a push, and certainly not seeing anyone like Sunderland, Coventry, Luton, Millwall, QPR, Boro, PNE finish above us by your rules. That gap is currently 4 points, so when it inevitably happens in the next few weeks I look forward to you humbly admitting that the football is terrible, a journey is not needed in this league, and your parachute payments spiel has absolutely no relation to why we performed so awful against Preston or Reading or Luton.

West Brom winning 6 of their last 7 Boro winning 5 of their last 7 Half a season and a 6/7 point handicap, both those sides are finishing above us. We’re closer to 16th than 2nd (1 place above us) Theres no such thing as a transition in the Championship. It’s a league built on loanes. The playing field is about as level as it ever has been. Sunderland came up this season and are only 5 points behind us with a better GD.

What are you even on about? Everyone who is sick of JDT and posting here are the same lot who had that opinion of Mowbray. It’s his defenders who were the Mowbray fans.

I’d be amazed if we finish above them.

I think it’s mainly because he’s gone with a more attacking and ball playing 11 than normal. There’s usually at least 1 if not 2 or 3 of Buckley, Dack, Hedges, Gallagher on the bench, whilst we usually have Travis and Szmodics starting or 3 CBs. Still no space for Adam Wharton on the bench again is interesting

Not far off our strongest 11 in my opinion (bar Brittain for JRC and maybe A.Wharton) Fingers crossed they back it up. Well done to all who travelled despite EFL and Sky scheduling shambles.

When do we judge the position we’re in though, after 1 game, 5 games? 23 games? End of season? We could have said ‘we’re sat in X position’ multiple times over the years but it doesn’t mean anything. I’m willing to give a bit of time and patience (Jesus the last bloke got enough!), but I’m yet to be convinced with anything he’s said about our style, with any in game decisions, or with any quality on show.

It’s exactly that - mega variance. I don’t think anybody has won more than us, but only 5 teams have lost more (or something like that). A sample of 23 games is small (in the grand scheme of simulating a season) and variance either way could have us even higher or down at the bottom….it’s just that our eyes, all the stats and anybody paying attention can see we’re more likely to regress to the latter. You always see teams like this up there. Reading were in the playoffs one year with a negative goal difference I think. Huddersfield similar the year they got promoted I’d loving nothing more than us to continue to blag our way to the top 6, get promoted and milk the cash cow for at least year, so here’s hoping!

17 year old athlete for a club with our set-up and he can’t get through 90 minutes without some glucose shot. Shambles if true

Who thought he’d be anything? Chaddy maybe? He was a great footballer, as manager he won a Scandy league with the most famous/best team, and he smiles and is chirpy in interviews? Means absolutely nothing. At least with ex-prem players you get some good loan options (see Lampard at Derby and Kompany at Burnley) He has a lot to prove in my eyes. I don’t see a squad, I don’t see a team, I don’t see a captain, I don’t see a ‘style’, I don’t see ‘high press’, I don’t see good in-game management/subs. *awaiting the ‘but we’re 3rd in the league’ lot*

Jesus, all that nonsense in the build up but that’s a decent turn out for a mid-round cup game against a team we’ve played 20 odd times in the last 10 seasons (or something like that). Well done lads and lasses. Shame they all paid to see our reserve 11, everyone with half a brain knew Forest would go strong (see all 4 prem teams yesterday). Would have liked to see a stronger team from ourselves but hopefully the intent means Trav and Smod are now in the 2nd 11 in the managers thoughts.

Some strong 11s from the Prem teams last night and I expect the same from Forest tonight. I think the only reason for this is the WC break though,. The majority of these clubs players didn't go to the WC so they have affectively had over a month with no competitive match. This round will allow those clubs to get some match practice in ahead of the league restarting. Leicester, Newcastle, Southampton & Wolves were all full strength last night. Unfortunately due to that I think it'll be the end of our run, it's a shame how the last draw panned out as it's likely an all top-tier quarter final line up.

I can justify it to myself a bit more when the TV deal is worth £150m or whatever it is these days. For moving a game to Sky in the Chammo we get about £75k apparently! Covers about 5 players wages that week. Having said that the bigger issue for me is what Matty was saying with the EFL scheduling these types of matches. Sunderland and Cardiff as the festive fixtures, it’s a joke. We have a pool of Burnley, Wigan, PNE, Blackpool in Lancashire, with Huddersfield not much further. The 6 of us should be playing each other in those fixtures. Unbelievably the Prem has pretty much got that as correct as it could this year (London games, South coast games, then North/Midlands games) across Boxing Day and New Year - although I hate that there are matches on 27th and 28th.

Very bizarre ratings and just a copy of flash scores formation. 50/50 this journo even watched the match id imagine

Let’s just pray the next 23 are better than last years!!

It’s probably already been mentioned in this thread as we’re all talking about it but Sky flicked up some stat last night about giving possession away in your own third. I can’t remember how it was worded. To the surprise of no one, Rovers were #1 and by a huge difference. Edit: It was on the message below mine… I should have read on

Forgot to add, I’ve gone for a Passimiento Red from Sicily, one of our favourites. Have a great evening everyone.

Enjoy the long journey home lads and lasses. Get a few cans for the coach! You’ve done the club proud making that journey a week before Christmas in the cold after two derby thumpings! Positives - 3 points and clean sheet - Showing some real fight and grit, especially Dolan on multiple occasions. Makes a world of difference - Fluidity in midfield, showing we are a team without Travis slowing it down / giving it away in the middle - Dack oozing class, especially the 15 minutes in the 2nd half - Buckley having a strong game - JRC pretty solid, he’s not superb but he can do a job in the squad Negatives - Injuries: Ayala and Gallagher and hopefully nobody else. Not ideal at all, especially as Ayala was one of the best players on the pitch. - Diaz looking more like Brereton - Only a sub so won’t judge too harshly but I’m not sure Szmodics is the one. Has to be seen as a squad player now rather than starting 11 Next up I’d be starting same team but Wharton for Morton (assuming Ayala is okay) Have a good Christmas everyone and see you all on Boxing Day!

Pukki should already be on a yellow for pulling Diaz down

I’d be hooking Morton now

Gallagher and Ayala are proper sick notes.