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‘Bring a friend for a X’ has never worked before and it certainly won’t work at the moment with that home form.

No idea. They paid £23m for it didn't they? (and assumed the £15m bank overdraft) so with the debt waived Id assume they'd want more than that. The going rate for Championship Clubs seems to be £40 - £50m these days with the possibility of promotion to the Prem, however remote.

They see the value of their ‘investment’ (£220 million at the last count) and the value of the club as the same thing. This, as you allude to, is absolute nonsense.

I was watching an episode of the premiership on youtube a while back, every pass forward, people running at players, 2 up top, barely a refs whistle stopping play every 5 seconds. Its like a different sport.

They don't look at club value they seem to look at their company balance sheet where it's worth 150 million to them. And of course the fact that one promotion however fanciful it might seem wipes that out and staying in the Prem would deliver a profit. Fantasy stuff obviously but they probably are fantasists.

Mike Ashley trying to buy Wednesday. Christ, could you imagine. We finally get rid of Venky's and then he schleps up.

Good effort fair play they are listening even it it's a bit of a free hit because it's a second running of the same game. Bums on seats please, no excuses support the team regardless of what happens at Wrexham otherwise they'll not do offers. Prove it works and stick it up em.

What price would they ask for? What price would be fair? Ashley has just had a £ 20 million bid for Wednesday turned down. There is an argument to state that the club is largely worthless. But normal rules dont seem to apply to football.

They’ve already got this season’s season ticket money - a boycott of next season’s season tickets would definitely make waves. That is the only metric that seems to resonate with Suhail.

If we carry on in the current vein at home for the rest of the season we'd end up with about 12 points from our 23 home games. Meaning we'd need at least 38 points from our 23 away games to be reasonably confident of staying up. I'd imagine that's something akin to automatic promotion form or even better required away from home.

Probably not the right thread but as good as any.... A thought has crossed my mind, are Rovers in more financial strife than we realise? It feels to me that the discounts on shirts, clothing ranges, hospitality and other areas are significantly more prevalent than they have been before. There's also the recent oddly structured flexible ticket, weirdness around a 150th anniversary shirt, cost cutting on the anniversary celebration itself. We're used to ridiculousness over the last 15yrs but that's never translated yet to what appears to be a desperate need to get cash into the club. Throw in the relatively recent apparent finalisation of a court case, possible venkys share price drop and what can only be described as a complete reluctance to hire a CEO and I just wonder if things are worse then we know

I wholly agree about his arrogance. I could live with that if he was getting results but at home we are a million miles off it. His comments about Carter and Gueye plus threatening to walk out of a press conference because he was asked about relegation are not the traits of humility.

He's just bang average working with a light bang average squad. When everyone is fit and the opposition is similar we'll get some results but whenever people are missing or questions are asked by another side that need answering he won't deliver. As pointed out his core style is more suited to counter attacking away from home and we have no flair whatsoever at home. Hopefully adding the set piece coach starts to add something regularly at both ends.

There’s four arses that never turn up.

Doesn't stop him being "integrated into the squad". He was training with the side from the international break. If you'd said he lacks match fitness that's different, but from the way he's been talked about he should be playing 60 minutes and coming off rather than letting TGH (who is an honest lad) huff and puff for most of the game.

For comparison 1966 relegated home record 6-1-14 2012 relegated side 6-1-12 Brian Kidd and John Pickering both had 5 wins but drew more. So if he doesn't reach 19 points will have worst record in last sixty years.

He was injured remember.

No chance the ‘sold’ tickets were 13,500, so 4,000+ bought walk ons? For a red button midweek in November? That’s considerably more than any Saturday game this season (bar Derby).

Not so sure he’s Kean or Coyle bad, but he’s not very good either. I can’t warm to the guy either. Seems very arrogant.

It’s tickets sold, t’was ever thus. We know that isn’t the real number of bums on seats. I’ve been counted for every Tuesday night home match, but I haven’t attended one….

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Normally i'd agree but my point here is it looks like the finance guy V's stuck on the board quite recently is just here to run the lowest budget model possible for them. Whilst keep us just above the admin line and second or thirdly keeping us in this league in order to maximise future player sale prices. I genuinely think the dwindling crowds will just be seen as - or should i say passed off as - a combination of collateral damage from cost of living crisis,fan favs wanting out, weather and oh just Rovers typical support (they used to get 7k) etc. In short anything and everything they can blame except the main drivers of it. So to counter this prices go up, more silly cat A games like Wrexham and come Jan he'll look to shave more thousands per week off the wage bill. Because that's his job nothing else, a reactionary to the balance sheet not the football. The lack of footfall just justifies his position imo and that's what i'm trying to get across. These loons will run the club into the ground in front of 5k if that's what it becomes.

Trouble is anyone with anything about them wants out after 6 months. Depends how long your definition of short term is.

So they are saying aside from QPR's merry band 4 k bought tickets ? There needs to be some serious questions asked now about what they are fabricating down there. The last crowd almost identical to that in the home sections was about 11k ish i think. The JW holds what 9.5k ? Could easily group everybody in the ground in there last night including the away fans. The actual number of turnstile clicks in the 3 home stands must've been sub 9k.

Plenty of half rows empty on jw upper