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Neither could Adam Wharton

I am not sure I follow - why would Cantwell be more likely to get injured in a deeper role?

some can of PL money and some can of their commercial and sponsor money intake. Some owners don't want spend big on wages and some do. Had Rovers offered new contracts during Eustace early reign, some of them might have sign them. People are still fixation on these 4 players who have gone.

Can any championship club "afford" wages, most will be in significant debt and running at a loss, surely? The club would have had very little problems in getting all 4 on a new contract if the club paid the going rate in the championship and showed some level of ambition but as we do neither, it's no wonder they all left. I'm sure everyone is looking forward to seeing how the new players get on but we all know that none will be here beyond the length of their contracts, or even within the last 12 months of their contracts, as the new norm is to sell anyone who has 12 months or less on their current deal, and none will sign an extended deal because our salaries on offer are too low. As @Tomphil2 says above, it won't be long before our players are leaving for Preston and Oxford because they will have overtaken us.

must be insufferable for you and the other moaners living with this sort of fear on a daily basis 😄

Yep, O'Riordans seems a good one, and Edmondson & Pratt are being given a chance, but at the moment, the rest seem to be nothing more than squad fillers at their loan clubs

is it self imposed wage cap or is it Rovers paying what we can afford within our finances Dolan was never re-sign here as I said earlier. Travis wasn't after Eustace left. See his comments with BBC Derby, he wanted out Brittain I thought he would cos of Ismael. None did, but we sold them and reinvest some of money into signings, so instead of looking back and back why not look forward to the players here and will actually be playing in Rovers shirt this season.

It'll come to a point soon where the likes of Preston, Oxford and similar will come in and take our better players simply by offering standard championship wages of a couple of grand a week more over 3 years. The happy clappers are going to need lots and lots of blow up snakes in the near future.

Our self imposed wage cap has already seen us lose Travis, Hyam, Dolan and Brittain. 4 players who would be starting here every week, 3 of which went to other championship clubs. We'll never retain any good players, as they will always want to leave for more money. So the results on the pitch will inevitably get worse as the quality of the squad is constantly reduced.

Looks like a lot of poorly thought out loans this year.

As good as a win it was for Rovers at the weekend, Ipswich appear to have clicked now, albeit after playing a very poor form Sheffield United side. I think this will be another home 0-2 defeat. Lots of effort on show but a lack of quality in the final third. Suspect Ismael will start with the same 11 that started the Watford game.

Mr Woo from Benidorm and Ryoya Morishito. Maybe not in true likeness but the laugh is remarkably similar.

But then do we want to to risk losing cantwell to injury when he can be utilised more in a forward role in certain games? Sitting cantwell in the middle of the park is a gamble imo

I think the likelihood is that they will have made a deal that they could stretch to if he has a real break out season and becomes a key player (which would probably also see Cantwell who will only have 1 year left next summer, departing to fund his salary) However, the most probable eventuality is that he is useful cover for a season, and then his loan ends and he returns to Birmingham in the summer

Yeah I suppose it's easy to agree to a 3/4 year deal of 20k a week when you don't have to actually commit to it after the loan ends. I'd like to think they would have negotiated something realistic in case he does turn out to be a good one so we can trigger it at any time, but then I remember who's in charge.

The permanent contract has to be agreed at the same time as the loan deal, yes, but there is nothing stopping Rovers from having the option of a permanent deal to take over his £20K ish per week deal and then simply not doing so... unless he randomly makes 20 odd goal contributions over the season and it makes sense to do so

I thought Brittain would cos of Ismael.. None of us knew Tronstad wants to back to Norway at the end of his contract. I hope we get some. A couple will move on for first team opportunities.

TAKECOPTER!

Feels like he believes more in austerity.

Well you seemed pretty confident to say multiple times this summer that Brittain and Tronstad would sign new deals. So, how many of that lot who expire in less than two years do you think will sign new contracts here? Going off recent history, I will say none, with the outside chance of one, being Wharton because he's a Blackburn lad.

maybe ask me for Tomorrow night EuroMillions numbers aswell.

I think, when you do a deal that is a loan with an option to buy, that the permanent contract has to be done at the time of the deal? Otherwise it would just go down as straight loan deal. Ismael did say in his interview on the transfer window that the two loans didn't really feel like loans because we have the option to make them our player at any time.

GB tried to get Dolan to sign a new contract 2 years ago and he didn't want to enter negotiations cos he was changing agents. Tronstad said in a Norwegian podcast last summer he wanted to return to Norway at the end of contract. Posted the link last week to a poster who posted that info Travis was never staying here when Eustace left and of course he would publicly say he wanted to stay here, in case he didn't get a move. Listen to Travis Derby country interview last week with their BBC Derby, he wanted out from here.

If they're currently on less than £10K/week and don't want any more than our alleged wage ceiling of £10K/week, then I'm guessing none of them. If they're on more than £10K/week like Cantwell, they will be sold ASAP

The point he purposely leaves out is once they know they are being low balled and their agents put the feelers out then they won't sign unless better terms are offered. The club have now even made it public all they were offering was one year extensions on the same terms in a clear 'take it or leave it move' because they wanted to cash in. They'll continue to do this and we'll continue to lose the better players whilst they also won't offer better contracts to long serving academy grads who've proven themselves championship standard. Therefore we'll lose them as well.