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I didn't mean the PSR rules. I simply meant the cash available to the management at Ewood Park to spend on improving first team results.

I once proclaimed that tax offsetting was possible on here & I was quickly corrected by Harry Berry…supported by a specific document

As I understand It, it never went anywhere because originally it didnt need to be spent. The rules changed and all of a sudden that level of investment was required. Irrelevant as far as FFP calculations for the men's team go though. Similar to what Gestede said about the transfer budget, they must have a fixed amount they're prepared to spend on the Club per year and that's it.

Thanks again for very useful posts. How exactly do they do 2?

Apart from the family seems very fragmented . Tasha enterprises LLP has just over 3 per cent. Basically no large shareholder to exert any influence

It isn’t the case that the 600-700k went to the first team though. That cash always sat outside of the P&S rules

Can essentially ignore this thread until Sunday night then for a few last minute scrambles and a £2 Patreon rumour.

Do they have any particularly large individual shareholders who could exert any influence over them then? Doesn't have to be a Bank, could be anyone. Or is it all tiny shareholdings?

Won’t be wasting my time it’s football it’s on tv Tuesday night sorted

Private limited companies and the general public. Institutions between 1 and 2 per cent.

I absolutely know he's not but I'm an absolute sucker for it.

I wouldnt waste your time, he won't be coming here.

Leader? Hyam?

That 600 or 700k isn't subject to FFP though is it? They could make the women's team very successful if they wanted to. Just like they could titivate the ground and infrastructure free of budgetary constraints but choose not to. They just dont want to put in anything like the same amount of money they used to which indicates to me things are slowly coming to a conclusion.

Correct...i remember last season a bit of momentum was gathering until the 'express yourself' business... Then it just fizzled out Something should be happening again...the tennis ball thing didn't work last time but if everyone who stayed away saturday takes one it would

Who are the shareholders then? Thanks in advance.

Personally I don't have a problem with the club being owned by cold, hard business people. It is competence and good decision making that are primarily important, to me anyway ; I agreed with the decision to effectively withdraw from women's football because the increase in costs arising from the new rules were estimated to be in the region of £600k to £700k pa and I would rather see that money spent on improving the first team results.

The VH group has hardly any investment from financial institutions.

Just thinking aloud here, but who are the major shareholders in the VH Corporation - are they Financial Institutions/Banks etc? Could publicity be legitimately be put out to the effect that Venky's are spaffing the family silver away on a middling English Football Club 4600 miles away to try and persuade them in turn to put pressure on the Rao's to sell?

Cleary starting tonight away to Cardiff on sky - good big pitch see more of what he’s about

I agree with you.

Allegedly Arsenal are going to wait until the summer for Tyjon now, to get him cheaper.

I disagree with this Masher I think the Vs are cold, hard business people who will not do a thing which doesn’t benefit them. There are several ‘add backs’ in P&S rules. They are basically things which sit outside the P&S calc. They are - charity contributions, women’s football, academy’s and investment infrastructure (although depreciation can be used on this) I believe the Venkys only fund the academy because it is the only “add back” which can substantially reduce their yearly contributions, through player sales, which sit in the “book” as 100% profit. They show no willing to spend on women’s football (it’s not too expensive) and community outreach / infrastructure is non existent. The only add back they actually care about is the one which benefits them

Very poorly written article with little substance. As Masher says, the ref will call the game on or off. Not Pasha.

1 - hard to say. Venkys last wrote off around £20m a few seasons ago. That could have been for a variety of reasons but the consequence improved Rovers. It is likely that debt will go up but last year Venkys gifted 4.5m in share capital but we then took out less friendly debt in the form of 13m in bank overdrafts. Without seeing how Venkys plan to subside losses this year it’s difficult to answer this. Signs point to them being unwilling or unable to loan anymore though. This will become even worse on relegation, where directors loans are forbidden from offsetting P&S, which means we rely on direct goodwill or we cut more 2 - We would start seeing periodic conversions of loans (debt) to equity. This will reduce the clubs debt but show back in VLL / VHG as a loss. This is when their loss ‘becomes real’. 3 - They technically can keep it going forever. But they won’t. The parent group will have financial rules for ‘debt wipe off’ in order to show a more true picture. I don’t know what that period is for Venkys but at some point “group” has to accept a loss has happened. I also think the EFL requires them to write off after a period to show the model is not unsustainable. I don’t know those rules though but I bet they exist