Just one further thing to add. Sometimes it only takes one person ‘sticking their head above the trenches’ for others to then follow. Maybe this is what’s happened here.

It'll all go wrong at some point and we'll end up in League One. I do think we'll have enough this year though, 12th-15th would be my bet.

Blackpool under the Oystons and Accy Stanley under their pre-Holt ownership used to basically sign a new squad every summer as their previous group were released/sold off to clubs with ambition/loans returned. Not sustainable and not a plan but they probably signed more players than anyone else, a direct result of the short term approach they selected in a bid to minimise costs. It involves taking an almighty gamble with league status every year in the hope those signed are good enough to avoid relegation. I think Chaddy and others would have loved supporting either of those clubs as they could spend every summer excitedly discussing what signings were coming whilst proven players rushed for the exit door. If you think that 'model' is sustainable or acceptable for this club or division you're wrong. Those most qualified - Mowbray, JDT, Eustace - knew this which is why they aren't here any more.

I am sure that is the case(whatever the original figure was), but that is exactly what is ridiculous Completely hypothetical, but If Adam Wharton was sold for £XM, & Rovers get their 15% (of the profit) none of that gets reinvested, no matter how high the figure is, is mental Likewise if Rovers spend their budget, and then in the opening weeks of the season, Ohashi has a blinder and one of the relegated sides has a bad start, needs a striker, and throws us aa few million for him, we just accept the inflated figure and trouser it without a replacement

That’s not a ‘plan’ that’s reactionary based on circumstances As Iv stated before we don’t seem to have a long term plan particularly this off season. We haven’t/hadn’t a clue about the contract situation with our players which will in turn determine our next step so effectively at present it’s day on day week on week until the window closes or the contracts are sorted one way or another

Not defending Gestede as he was all over the shop in some of those interviews but perhaps he meant he'd been told look you've got 3.5 million to spend this summer regardless of who is sold or not. Wishful thinking obviously but we know the BS that flies around inside Rovers and the promises that are made to new gaffers etc plus they know there'd be future sales to plug that gap. IMO what we are seeing now is what we've always seen in terms of some backing for a new coach/manager that will all but disappear after this summer again and the well will be dry for Ismael even if he stays 3 years so he better make the most of it now. Invest a bit, grow a new squad, sell, pay down the overdraft, rinse and repeat.

Some even have 5 or 10 year plans, can you imagine? If we had a 5 month plan we would have done well 😉

That's not a long term plan is it it's just replacing players that are leaving which any and every club has to do unless they fill the spots with youth players. Clubs tend to work to 3 year plans not wing it summer to summer like these lot do.

I was especially pleased to hear you say "that income does to affect the budget".. or words to that effect. This nonsensical thinking needs highlighting at every opportunity

She wants paying…😉

Pasha only really started coming to the FF meetings last season regularly. I'd say he was the most animated I'd seen him at the last meeting, yes. He told me to 'get my facts right' which I was quite surprised at (in reference to JDT & Eustace leaving a year apart for the same reason- no backing). He had no answer when I reminded him that JDT tried to leave the previous summer and the club hadn't let him.....

The plan is cost control. Football is secondary.

Wait till you see his long throw...

The regime isn’t half as clever as they think they are. They thought stripping all fan engagement down to one forum, a forum that historically has been more retail focused (and where they’ve had a measure of control over the proceedings and output) would keep them off the hook … well, guess what, as a voluntary forum that anybody is free to join, the awkward squad from the groups you’ve excluded will just find their way into it anyway and said control is now lost. Never mind ay, Pasha.

What are you talking about, of course there is a plan...... .........to reduce costs!

It’s my coping strategy…(& I think it’s more effective on the radio 😉)

How would this be for controversial? Mafoumbi back to France & a Henriksson & Baradji double signing Swiftly followed by a Travis departure

Unless you believe neither will answer honestly, both @K-Hod and @only2garners could clear this up very quickly. As to why Pasha would do that, my impression of @glen9mullan from on here is he does know how to elicit the response he is after (again - a good thing).

Just on this point. The EFL regulations regarding these meetings are so weak it is very easy for the club to comply.

From what I understand, Pasha took exception at Glen having direct contact with the owners, but perhaps he can clarify that. Why Pasha would do that is open to debate I guess. These original minutes contained lies, according to Glen’s posts, so why is that and is it a one off to save embarrassment, or normal procedure, to keep relationships intact?

Perhaps @K-Hod can confirm whether the outbursts Glen refers to have happened at previous meetings too. It may just be that Glen knows how to ‘push the right buttons’ to get such a reaction. For clarity, I would see the ability to do this as a positive as it can lead (as Glen says it did) to the loss of control leading to the truth coming out.

Excellent post!

Not much left in the tank for there to be much in the way of controversy around a player going. Who is your money on, whose departure would be considered controversial? I'm with you in principle - just interested in hearing your thoughts..

Read what Glen has posted which is pretty damning. Either this is a one off and has been called out, due to people attending, who will challenge those not acting in the best interests of the club, or it’s the norm. Fine for you to leave it there, but fortunately some won’t, as doing nothing, is not an option.

Prediction, we're waiting for a controversial outgoing to be finalised before confirming another incoming