I think you could possibly make a case that Coventry's and Charlton's were.

I think 30th June is the latest a loan can run ‘til but most run to the end of May.

Fascinating how there still hasn't been any movement on the contracts of Travis, Tronstad or Brittain... Don't get me wrong, i'm not surprised in the slightest - but it just never ceases to amaze me how badly run our once great Club is. We really are a basket case of the absolute highest order.

I was talking about the actually changes coming in not people inventing changes that aren't coming in.

Were any of their undesirables foreign billionaires completely insulated from any criticism?

Chaddy we have been trading at a massive loss for years, and the only thing the bailed us out recently was Wharton and Sammie. These are exceptional items.

You said that wouldn’t impact match goers, nobody said that it is coming in now - fair enough if you misread GHD’s post.

You are literally just an echo chamber for what comes out of the club without the ability to develop your own opinions on what is said. Suhail and Gestede both said £4-5m was spent so you are happy with that. Gestede literally used that 10s of millions line that you are now parroting. No one is asking for that, its an attempt by Gestede to make people seem unreasonable for expecting more reinvestment by gaslighting people into thinking theyve demanding a massive warchest. As has been said, the club is skint. Look whats gone out, look whats come in. And crucially, look at the core of proven Championship players we have. Brittain, Travis, Tronstad, Hyam all going into their last year. Dolan, Batth and Weimann all out the door. We clearly are not offering reasonable, competitive Championship wages. Your usual line is to say "well our wage bill hasnt gone down from 5 years ago." Purpoesefully or otherwise dismissing inflation, £1 today doesnt equate to £1 then. Our wage bill now will be higher than our title winning side in 1995, if we are just dismissing the time value of money. Its all well and good spending small fees on players from lesser leagues abroad because their wages wont be high.

We want new owners. All of those things that you mention only have a chance of happening with new owners.

another comprehensive KentExile loans thread? hell yeah. Repeating myself, but I'd heard from a Cambridge supporter that he was in a bit of an unlucky situation at a poor L1 side last year (this was compounded by making a few errors early on...), so he may not have gotten a truly fair shake there. Then seemed to manage fine with another half-season in L2 to try to salvage his year. Taking a step back, he's only turning 22 in Oct. Despite last year being a bit of a step back, a CB managing regular L2 minutes at ages 19-21 is pretty promising overall. Getting loaned out so early is rather strange. Taking an optimistic view, this should help him get settled early and its perhaps a good sign that a L1 club is immediately keen to sign him to be a starter, rather than trying to fit him in somewhere in late Aug. But, can also easily imagine Rovers are simply trying to minimise their wage costs for the year.

Yes we are skint. That should be obvious to anyone with a passing interest in what goes on at Rovers. Look at the stadium, look at the cost cutting, look at the fact that there has been zero investment in anything beyond limited small transfer fees on the squad, look at the state of Ewood Park, Look at the fact that JDT and Eustace both threw the towel in after a few months of trying and failing to work under the restrictions imposed by the owners and their stooges. Look at the fact that there has been an exodus - some voluntary and some redundancies - of numerous staff behind the scenes, be that coaching, backroom staff, Waggott, the ladies at Brockhall, now David Lowe, this doesn't happen at a club that doesn't have major operational or financial issues. This isn't, despite your attempts to convince yourself it is, a situation where everything is normal and hunky dory and the only issue is that the money being spent isn't as much as we'd prefer. The club is in total and utter crisis, caused by these owners, their legal issues and their decisions. Expecting credit for us signing a couple of cheap players from Portugal and Belgium after bringing in millions from sales, sell on fees and compensation money is laughable. We all know those sort of deals are low cost punts on wages more akin to League One than the Championship. I bet that Eustace's compensation cash has comfortably covered whatever we've paid out. 'Problems in India' - a bit more serious than that Chaddy. This isn't just some minor technical issue that should all get sorted and then everything is fine. The radical cost cutting began before the Indian legal issues emerged so that particular excuse doesn't really stack up. But even if it did we are now 2 years into the 'problems' coming to light and they still haven't been resolved. The owners have to go to Court or comply with various onerous requirements just to be able to send enough cash to cover their obligations. Not investment, or a transfer kitty, but just to meet the wage and tax bill each month. If the owners wake up one day and decide they can't be arsed or perhaps if their issues don't go away for another few years or perhaps they get found guilty of whatever it is they are being investigated for, then the entire operation is in danger of collapse. So serious stuff. I'm also intrigued as to what the Venky apologists would think or have to say if they do get found guilty of financial misdemeanours / crimes in India whether these people are content / comfortable with their club being entangled in such activity and potentially used as a vehicle for some of this activity. Presumably all ok as well because at least they've paid the bills on time and the lads are still there to cheer on every fortnight?

Other fanbases.......Bolton, Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool got rid of their undesirable owners. Ours are on.........what is it? 14 years?

I have posted more than enough about I want us to be run in the past. Maybe have a look at them before reply with that. He sold the club last week. Suggest you look how to run his other clubs into the ground. Look at the other thread where a poster posted about how he run Lyon into the ground. Now relegation into Ligue 2 cos of miss management Palace's success is down Steve Parish and the other owners not Textor

The football club is skint. The owner's aren't. We are skint by choice, the owners could change that at any point.

I don't know whether it is deliberate or just the way you write but I get the impression from this that you are happy with how things are at Rovers and don't think there is anything wrong with how we operate? John Textor the bloke whose club has just won the FA Cup and qualified for Europe?

We aren't Skint JH. We just don't invest at the levels we would like to see. Plus the problems in India which hopefully get sorted shortly for good Are we skint? If we were skint why are paying transfer fees for 2 summer signings so far? Ismael making his own changes to the staff. Interesting

I remember under Williams basically every penny in went out on wages, which was probably unsustainable in the long run.

What agenda? It's yourself moving away the point of what changes are actually coming in and inventing changes that aren't coming this season?

Why would anyone want to stay here if there are other options even at the same level and on the same pay? The club is run like a joke and there's every possibility we'd become the next Sheffield Wednesday.

So get a better CEO in than Swag and a few more press releases on egg letter headed paper and we’re happy.

Is this coming in Matty this season???

The Sheffield Wednesday owner is clearly struggling financially outside football. What can they do given Every football club is private business at the end of the day? Why would the football authorities have a problem how Venkys run the club? Every monthly wage paid, paying the tax man on time and other bills, etc. Selling players and reinvesting that money in small bits in transfer funds.. We want the club running much better, ownership engaged with fans and local community, better CEO running it, etc. Look how John Textor have runs clubs and the mess he has created at every club he has done yet some people think he should buy Rovers. It would be much worser under him. Look at Lyon situation

We wait with baited breath for the 150th shirt. Can't help but think they'll fk that up aswell.

Nixon reckons that David Lowe will just leave the club altogether, rather than be moved into any other roles at the club.

I agree that we don't really know but if we've been trying to get him to sign a new contract for 2 years and we've not been successful, you'd have to say that the contract on offer hasn't been good enough. Even when he's had managers like JDT, who took us to the brink of the play offs, or Eustace, with whom the players really seemed to like, he still hasn't signed it. That surely throws the spotlight back onto the club, in that they haven't offered anything remotely tempting for Dolan to sign. Journo's now saying we haven't even tried to engage him or his agent in talks again, suggests that the club won't be increasing their offer any further and clearly Dolan and his agent believe they can get more money elsewhere.