Cricket

[K-Hod]

Think it was Only One Jack Walker making the point ref being on the beach chilling between matches and not doing any fielding practice that nailed it for me.

I'm all for players having time off, but at 2-0 down in the series, with the manner of some of our performances, the optics on it weren't great.

[chaddyrovers]

Why couldn't their do catching practice on the bench? 

What's wrong a couple of hours practicing batting and catching practice then rest on a bench before session of catching on the bench for a hour. Sounds fair and reasonable to me 

Edited 5 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

You don’t have to be a genius to realise that cricketing conditions out in Australia are totally different to the ones in England.  I would have thought it was imperative to get some playing time out there before the test. Knock about stuff in New Zealand isn’t the answer. Conditions out there are more like the UK.

Having said that, we just aren’t good enough, the batting is especially poor. Too much one day stuff has done for us I’m afraid.

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[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You don’t have to be a genius to realise that cricketing conditions out in Australia are totally different.  I would have thought it was imperative to get some playing time out there before the test. Knock about stuff in New Zealand isn’t the answer. Conditions out there are more like the UK.

Having said that, we just aren’t good enough, the batting is especially poor. Too much one day stuff has done for us I’m afraid.

Is the County championship of good quality? Does it provide good players? 

If you look at the top 3 batsman county championship div 1 run scores, its 3 players who couldn't perform at Test level. 

Are younger batsmen knocking the door down to say to National selector Luke Wright and head coach McCullum pick me instead? 

I think the County game need restructuring to produce better quality but better players? Like why are playing Cricket at County level in Early April, late September and October

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is the County championship of good quality? Does it provide good players? 

If you look at the top 3 batsman county championship div 1 run scores, its 3 players who couldn't perform at Test level. 

Are younger batsmen knocking the door down to say to National selector Luke Wright and head coach McCullum pick me instead? 

I think the County game need restructuring to produce better quality but better players? Like why are playing Cricket at County level in Early April, late September and October

I don’t watch enough county cricket to say Chaddy, so I don’t have any answers. All I know is we don’t seem to be producing the standard of cricketers we used to do. It seems that county cricket these days  isn’t as intensive as the Sheffield Shield competition in Australia.  
It’s like in Rugby League, we have nothing over here as intensive as the “ State Of Origin “ series that they have over there. Our players aren’t used to that level of intensity. That’s why we regularly get hammered when we play the Aussies. It didn’t used to be that way.

[Gav]

Australia have 5 of the best bowlers in the world, look at the number of wickets Starc, Cummins, Lyon, Boland and Hazelwood have taken. We have Archer, who is world class on his day, our 2nd highest wicket taker is Joe Root, let that sink in!

All the populist nonsense about us being 'under cooked', not enough warm up games etc is rubbish, our real issue is this current crop of players, career wise, have not had enough cricket in Australian conditions.

To add to that, I think it was K-Hod who initially called this out and he's spot on, if you don't take catches you don't win matches. I would concur and no amount of warm up games helps with getting the very basics right.

Lets face it, in Australian conditions, we are a long way behind this current Aussie team, especially with the ball, its that simple.

Edited 5 hours ago by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Gav said:

Australia have 5 of the best bowlers in the world, look at the number of wickets Starc, Cummins, Lyon, Boland and Hazelwood have taken. We have Archer, who is world class on his day, our 2nd highest wicket taker is Joe Root, let that sink in!

All the populist nonsense about us being 'under cooked', not enough warm up games etc is rubbish, our real issue is this current crop of players, career wise, have not had enough cricket in Australian conditions.

To add to that, I think it was K-Hod who initially called this out and he's spot on, if you don't take catches you don't win matches. I would concur and no amount of warm up games helps with getting the very basics right.

Lets face it, in Australian conditions, we are a long way behind this current Aussie team, especially with the ball, its that simple.

Is Boland that good Gav? He swings into you and Keeper stood up, isn't that something new? 

Maybe we should have taken Woakes or Cook? 

We havent replace Anderson and Broad in terms of quality but also hitting line and length. 

Lynn always like to take a wicket early, when he doesnt, he goes searching more so why not play on that. Pope's dismissal was stupid..

[chaddyrovers]

23 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I don’t watch enough county cricket to say Chaddy, so I don’t have any answers. All I know is we don’t seem to be producing the standard of cricketers we used to do. It seems that county cricket these days  isn’t as intensive as the Sheffield Shield competition in Australia.  
It’s like in Rugby League, we have nothing over here as intensive as the “ State Of Origin “ series that they have over there. Our players aren’t used to that level of intensity. That’s why we regularly get hammered when we play the Aussies. It didn’t used to be that way.

I'm similar, I don't watch enough. 

I think the County system and structure when we play our first class games. We need quality over quantity 

[K-Hod]

In many ways, you can't blame players for prioritising the short form of the games, as it all comes down to money ultimately. We'd likely all be the same in their position.

But I do think, until the ECB and players stop prioritising things like The Hundred, The IPL and other short forms of the game over first-class cricket, we'll continue to get poor results like this Ashes series so far.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Are there any “ David Steele’s “ out there in the county championship these days ? The not flashy but steady types who don’t give their wickets away lightly. He came from nowhere to fit the bill at No 3.

[Gav]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Boland that good Gav? He swings into you and Keeper stood up, isn't that something new? 

His numbers say he is that good Chaddy, ranked 9th in World, we only have 1 player in top 20, Gus Atkinson, which tells its own story.

bowling

Total wickets 69

Bowling avg 18.17

Maidens 102

Best Figuresvs England 26/12/2021  6/7 (Before Brendon Mccullum took over, nothing like blocking up an end and batting all day eh 🤣)

Edited 3 hours ago by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

27 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Are there any “ David Steele’s “ out there in the county championship these days ? The not flashy but steady types who don’t give their wickets away lightly. He came from nowhere to fit the bill at No 3.

I take another Michael Vaughan or Ian Bell or Jonathan Trott at 3. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

15 minutes ago, Gav said:

His numbers say he is that good Chaddy, ranked 9th in World, we only have 1 player in top 20, Gus Atkinson, which tells its own story.

bowling

Total wickets 69

Bowling avg 18.17

Maidens 102

Best Figuresvs England 26/12/2021  6/7 (Before Brendon Mccullum took over, nothing like blocking up an end and batting all day eh 🤣)

But his bowling isn't that England batsmen should fear. He's no Glenn McGrath or Paul Refifle. 

The top 3 batsmen used of footwork is very poor. Pope appalling shot, not at pitch of the ball, Duckett did his feet move to Lyon, Crawley not in position to play a defensive shot

[oldjamfan1]

Hameed was only a young lad when he played test cricket. I would give him another go at it. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Hameed was only a young lad when he played test cricket. I would give him another go at it. 

He's 28 years old now and he played the last Ashes series down under. Played 4 test. Average 10 over 8 innings. 

I would be tempted by giving Durham opening batsmen Ben McKinney his head now. Supposedly the next big thing and bring in Jordan Cox at 3 perhaps 

Edited 1 hour ago by chaddyrovers