Tony Mowbray

[bluefred]

Mowbray is not the answer ! 

[M_B]

56 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

11th, but point taken

8th I think you'll find, but regardless, I think it's a wind up anyway. 

If it is it worked judging by the reaction on here. 

Edited 3 hours ago by M_B

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

I know he failed, we went down, but the damage was already done, otherwise we'd have finished 8th. 

Before rallying and winning the last couple of games when it was too late, we had a run of something like seven games without a win.

He initially guided us to a position where we almost had our noses above water and he had ample opportunity to keep us up.

Not ALL or even primarily his fault of course.

[Andy]

That relegation was absolutely not on TM.
The rot at the club was deep and almost irretrievable.

He then did a lot of good work to pull various bits of the club back together, not least the relationship with the fans.

However, did indeed undo a lot of that in his final couple of years, with the points almost mentioned.

[M_B]

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Before rallying and winning the last couple of games when it was too late, we had a run of something like seven games without a win.

He initially guided us to a position where we almost had our noses above water and he had ample opportunity to keep us up.

Not ALL or even primarily his fault of course.

Well no, virtually none of it.

It was also a record(or virtually) points total for a relegated team, which didn't help the situation. 

Thought you'd be well chuffed 🤣

Edited 2 hours ago by M_B

[Tomphil2]

He left some good foundations to be built on which they failed to do and by now ALL his good work has been undone.

[RevidgeBlue]

Did a good job until we got promoted back to the Championship.

After that an absolute disaster imo. Stagnation at a time when the owners still retained a bit of interest.

We all knew they would give up and lose interest at some point and unfortunately Mowbray oversaw that.

We could have done with someone ambitious like JDT or Eustace at the Club after we got promoted.

[roversfan99]

The side that went down had been absolutely ravaged of any remaining assets by the owners. The team that came up even with the addition of Dack (who obviously succumbed to injury) was nowhere near being a team to look towards the top of the Championship. Even with £10m spent on it, which was the one summer when maybe they had a shred of "interest."

The summer after, we spent another £5m predominantly funded by the sale of Raya. From then on, the interest had gone again and not enough time or crucially money had been spent to get that side justifiably looking towards the top. It wasnt a wasted opportunity in that the money and period of supposed interest wasnt sufficient to prop up a side competitive at the top end. 

When we did start challenging, it wasnt by design or because of owner funding. The core of the team at the heart of those top 8 finishes under Mowbray and then Tomasson were Brereton, the main player signed during that flash of interest who needed time to develop. Rothwell who again needed time to develop. And also graduates like Travis, Dolan (signed very young for the academy but fasttracked), Wharton, Carter and the odd clever loan.

This idea that Mowbray spurned a golden opportunity of owner interest is totally flawed and I hate it because it gives them far too much credit. £10m added to a good League 1 squad and a year of interest wasnt this huge opportunity.

[B16Rover]

That Wigan team was nowhere near our team 

[Upside Down]

This tosser wouldn't have got anywhere near Ewood Park under an ownership and management team that even slightly resembled competency. 

He's an awful manager and a complete dick head. His numerous disparaging remarks towards the club and fans, whilst he was here none the less, should make any supporter of this club want to kick him up the arse all the way down Livsey Branch Road. 

[Hasta]

11 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

This tosser wouldn't have got anywhere near Ewood Park under an ownership and management team that even slightly resembled competency. 

He's an awful manager and a complete dick head. His numerous disparaging remarks towards the club and fans, whilst he was here none the less, should make any supporter of this club want to kick him up the arse all the way down Livsey Branch Road. 

Twaddle. His first 2.5 season were good.He was arguably the right man at the right time.He just stayed too long.

Edited 1 hour ago by Hasta

[Upside Down]

9 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Twaddle. His first 2.5 season were good.He was arguably the right man at the right time.He just stayed too long.

First half season - Relegated 

Second season - Promoted from league one in second place because he didn't have enough about him to actually try and win the league.

Every season after that - achieved absolutely nothing.

Are you seriously going to try and argue that he would have got anywhere near this place had someone like John Williams been running the show? 

The guy's a complete loser and he stole a living from this club for years. Never achieved anything anywhere else other than that one promotion with West Brom. He failed miserably at Celtic FFS. Sunderland did exactly the right thing binning him off as soon as the season was over. No club with real ambition would go anywhere near him. 

Add to that his remarks towards the club and fans and he's a complete twat. 

[M_B]

2 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

First half season - Relegated 

Second season - Promoted from league one in second place because he didn't have enough about him to actually try and win the league.

Every season after that - achieved absolutely nothing.

Are you seriously going to try and argue that he would have got anywhere near this place had someone like John Williams been running the show? 

The guy's a complete loser and he stole a living from this club for years. Never achieved anything anywhere else other than that one promotion with West Brom. He failed miserably at Celtic FFS. Sunderland did exactly the right thing binning him off as soon as the season was over. No club with real ambition would go anywhere near him. 

Add to that his remarks towards the club and fans and he's a complete twat. 

Plummeted to second place 🤣🤣🤣

[Upside Down]

Just now, M_B said:

Plummeted to second place 🤣🤣🤣

Bad luck I suppose.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, M_B said:

Plummeted to second place 🤣🤣🤣

I was fuming travelling down to Charlton (hoping to see us win the L1 Title) when the team news came on and we heard he'd effectively thrown it by resting everyone.  

Far from the worst thing he did but that sort of summed him up. No ambition for the Club whatsoever.

[Hasta]

25 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

First half season - Relegated 

Second season - Promoted from league one in second place because he didn't have enough about him to actually try and win the league.

Every season after that - achieved absolutely nothing.

 

You weren’t talking John Williams. You were talking someone “slightly resembling competent”. By which point yes there is a chance he would have got here, same as he got to Sunderland, West Brom, Birmingham and Celtic. He wasn’t my choice, but  was middle of the road as far as options went. He’s got a win percentage  of 40%+ at 7 of his 9 clubs, generally in englands top 2 division. If we get anyone in after Ismael with anywhere near that record i will be gobsmacked. 
 

First season he was unlucky. To blame him for relegation and not acknowledge he made a decent fist of turning us around is nothing more than blinkered hatred of the guy. He got a squad that even now looks very limited (albeit  better than the current one) running at 1.46 points per game.

The same people who say “his job was to keep us up, he failed”, then don’t accept his job second season was to get us up and he succeeded. To Rev’s point, yes we should have won the league and that pissed me off,  but that was a secondary target. He achieved his main target quite comfortably, something that not every club that goes down does.

After that he started losing it with weird team selections, and many of his comments were stupid. He seemed to not be able to break the death spirals. He certainly should have pushed for more money when we were in the top 6. That wasnt honourable, that was dumb. He should have gone before he eventually did.

But criticising him for those first two seasons is just stupid. And frothing at the mouth about him like he is Jerome Anderson or Steve Kean is bizarre.
 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hasta

[Upside Down]

24 minutes ago, Hasta said:

You weren’t talking John Williams. You were talking someone “slightly resembling competent”. By which point yes there is a chance he would have got here, same as he got to Sunderland, West Brom, Birmingham and Celtic. He wasn’t my choice, but  was middle of the road as far as options went. He’s got a win percentage  of 40%+ at 7 of his 9 clubs, generally in englands top 2 division. If we get anyone in after Ismael with anywhere near that record i will be gobsmacked. 
 

First season he was unlucky. To blame him for relegation and not acknowledge he made a decent fist of turning us around is nothing more than blinkered hatred of the guy. He got a squad that even now looks very limited (albeit  better than the current one) running at 1.46 points per game.

The same people who say “his job was to keep us up, he failed”, then don’t accept his job second season was to get us up and he succeeded. To Rev’s point, yes we should have won the league and that pissed me off,  but that was a secondary target. He achieved his main target quite comfortably, something that not every club that goes down does.

After that he started losing it with weird team selections, and many of his comments were stupid. He seemed to not be able to break the death spirals. He certainly should have pushed for more money when we were in the top 6. That wasnt honourable, that was dumb. He should have gone before he eventually did.

But criticising him for those first two seasons is just stupid. And frothing at the mouth about him like he is Jerome Anderson or Steve Kean is bizarre.
 

I take your point on the first season and a half. In theory we should have stayed up after that amount of points but we didn't. He did get promoted the year after but that was the absolute bare minimum. 

Nobody is comparing him to kean or that other spiv cunt. That's just silly.

This club can and should be doing much much better than Tony Mowbray. 

Just because big Val is shit doesn't make Mowbray good by any standard and that "journalst" calling him legendary is wild. If he's a legend then Don Mackay must be an immortal god among men.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I was fuming travelling down to Charlton (hoping to see us win the L1 Title) when the team news came on and we heard he'd effectively thrown it by resting everyone.  

Far from the worst thing he did but that sort of summed him up. No ambition for the Club whatsoever.

I remember feeling the same. But if I recall correctly, it turned out that the players who we presumed had been rested were injured, notably Dack.

He didnt rest "everyone" with regulars Mulgrew, Lenihan, Armstrong, Smallwood and Evans all playing. Dack, Nyambe, Bennett and Raya had injuries IIRC.

His main flaw in management is certainly a lack of ruthlessness though. Doesnt necessarily mean lack of ambition, but too much of a people pleaser.

Edited 7 minutes ago by roversfan99

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I remember feeling the same. But if I recall correctly, it turned out that the players who we presumed had been rested were injured, notably Dack.

They might have been carrying long standing niggles or knocks but if we'd have needed to win that game to finish 2nd, Im sure they'd have played.

Last game of the season, all summer to get fit.