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[Mattyblue]

The FF worked well when it was two sets of people across the table pulling in the same direction. Issues like the price of pies really were the most concerning thing on the day as the likes of John Williams were trusted to get on with the macro stuff.

Now both sides aren’t pulling in the same direction and the FF are being expected to pull the regime up on all kinds of strategic  stuff it was never intended for when it set up in more simpler times.

The FF hasn’t changed, the club has. It’s somehow ended up in this position by default as the last forum standing. Ergo other supporter consultations (I.e the ones they quietly dropped around Covid) need bringing back ASAP, and the FF can go back to its modus operandi, I.e the lower level retail stuff - of course they won’t bring them back as this set up works perfectly fine for the regime.

Edited 7 hours ago by Mattyblue

[lraC]

55 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The FF worked well when it was two sets of people across the table pulling in the same direction. Issues like the price of pies really were the most concerning thing on the day as the likes of John Williams were trusted to get on with the macro stuff.

Now both sides aren’t pulling in the same direction and the FF are being expected to pull the regime up on all kinds of strategic  stuff it was never intended for when it set up in more simpler times.

The FF hasn’t changed, the club has. It’s somehow ended up in this position by default as the last forum standing. Ergo other supporter consultations (I.e the ones they quietly dropped around Covid) need bringing back ASAP, and the FF can go back to its modus operandi, I.e the lower level retail stuff - of course they won’t bring them back as this set up works perfectly fine for the regime.

Up there with the best post ever made on here Matty.

The fans forum now need to accept that despite their good intentions, they are doing more harm than good and I call on them to disband and stop the club from taking the easy option in terms of their obligations to have dialogue with fans groups. 

[JHRover]

Coming together as one! | rovers.co.uk

July 2023 - Waggott boasting about continuing to attend both Fans Forum and Supporter Consultation Meetings, even though the latter he disbanded three years previous during Covid under safety reasons and haven't occurred since. 

They're laughing at us.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, lraC said:

Maybe these minutes from previous meetings now need to be revisited. If false minutes have been standard practice, an explanation needs to be made. 
Why has this been allowed to happen?

Comments doesn't help mate, you are better than this. O2G does a fantastic job in the minutes sometime he has been doing for some time 

[lraC]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Comments doesn't help mate, you are better than this. O2G does a fantastic job in the minutes sometime he has been doing for some time 

I think you are very wide of the mark here and if you care to do a bit more research and speak to people who attended the meeting (especially this who want for the first time) you will understand what is really going on here.

The club use these meetings as a way of meeting their obligations and are literally getting an easy rise and taking the fans for mugs.

Some will accept this and some won't and you are free to choose the former, but this is creating more harm than good and I stand by my call for the Fans form to disband.

[Mashed Potatoes]

3 minutes ago, lraC said:

I think you are very wide of the mark here and if you care to do a bit more research and speak to people who attended the meeting (especially this who want for the first time) you will understand what is really going on here.

The club use these meetings as a way of meeting their obligations and are literally getting an easy rise and taking the fans for mugs.

Some will accept this and some won't and you are free to choose the former, but this is creating more harm than good and I stand by my call for the Fans form to disband.

How are the club taking the fans for mugs ?

[lraC]

15 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

How are the club taking the fans for mugs ?

Is that a serious question?

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, lraC said:

Is that a serious question?

Yes - please provide a serious answer.

[K-Hod]

23 minutes ago, lraC said:

I think you are very wide of the mark here and if you care to do a bit more research and speak to people who attended the meeting (especially this who want for the first time) you will understand what is really going on here.

The club use these meetings as a way of meeting their obligations and are literally getting an easy rise and taking the fans for mugs.

Some will accept this and some won't and you are free to choose the former, but this is creating more harm than good and I stand by my call for the Fans form to disband.

Well, there are certainly some that are wide of the mark 😃.

I was in that meeting and this has been blown way out of proportion. This is a delay down to the club.

It's frustrating as hell and I in fact chased the completion of the minutes on Sunday with all that attended. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

23 minutes ago, lraC said:

I think you are very wide of the mark here and if you care to do a bit more research and speak to people who attended the meeting (especially this who want for the first time) you will understand what is really going on here.

The club use these meetings as a way of meeting their obligations and are literally getting an easy rise and taking the fans for mugs.

Some will accept this and some won't and you are free to choose the former, but this is creating more harm than good and I stand by my call for the Fans form to disband.

I dont think it's right to blame the FF or O2G for the minutes at all. That's was my main point. I think you are wide of the mark here 

They are several good people on the fans forum and I guarantee they don't get an easy ride at all. Easy to throw mud from the outside. These give up their free time to attend and asked questions to Rovers management 

 

[Billinge End Blue]

Chaddy, in your view, do the good people on the fans forum include the Rovers management?

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Billinge End Blue said:

Chaddy, in your view, do the good people on the fans forum include the Rovers management?

I've never met most of them so you need direct your at people on the fans forum

[lraC]

1 minute ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Yes - please provide a serious answer.

1. They ask us to accept that the made mistakes that caused us to mess 3 transfers up.

2. They have lost 3 very good managers in recent years and blamed the manager and not themselves, never accepting responsibility.

3. The let players contracts run down and always blame the players, not once accepting that it could be low balling them

4. They let an agent run the club and sell lots of players and replace them with inferior ones, costing us a place in the top flight and never getting anywhere near retuning. 

5. They sack a manager who has us in the top half of the league and replace him, with an under qualified coach, who git us relegated

6. They tell us they will absolutely respect the legacy of Jack Walker

7. They try to sell the training ground and would never have admitted to it, has some fans not uncovered it.

8. They sell our star player a home grown talent, as they have been unable/unwilling to fund the club, through their own underhanded actions, thus putting us in serious financial difficulty.

9. They bring in a bunch of unknown un tested players, including an agent son, who never make a single appearance for the club (referred to as the Portugeezers)

10. They force long serving staff out of the door, with hardly a word of thanks or acknowledgement (David Lowe is one such example)

11. They appoint a global adviser, who turns the club into a laughing stock. (RIP Shebby, as you were well meaning)

12. They send £5m that was supposed to have been used for the club to Canada and cause serious issues with future funding, due to this.

13. Thye fail to maintain the ground adequately.

14. They raise the prices to such a level that they sell a record low number of season tickets and then announce that they will not try to re- engage with these lapsed fans.

15. They constantly have a reset and promise jam tomorrow, that never arrives.

16. They remove all of the historical memorabilia in blues bar and replace it, with their own version.

17. They constantly run out of stock in the club shop

18. They make it difficult for fans to buy tickets at times and force them into a more expensive route if they can.

19. The pay lip service to respecting the history of the club, such as a proper agenda for the upcoming 150th year.

20. They threaten the fans with a ban, if they rebel in the wrong way.

There are many more too, but no doubt you will attempt to defend these 20 for now.

 

[Mattyblue]

Classic, Masher.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, lraC said:

1. They ask us to accept that the made mistakes that caused us to mess 3 transfers up.

2. They have lost 3 very good managers in recent years and blamed the manager and not themselves, never accepting responsibility.

3. The let players contracts run down and always blame the players, not once accepting that it could be low balling them

4. They let an agent run the club and sell lots of players and replace them with inferior ones, costing us a place in the top flight and never getting anywhere near retuning. 

5. They sack a manager who has us in the top half of the league and replace him, with an under qualified coach, who git us relegated

6. They tell us they will absolutely respect the legacy of Jack Walker

7. They try to sell the training ground and would never have admitted to it, has some fans not uncovered it.

8. They sell our star player a home grown talent, as they have been unable/unwilling to fund the club, through their own underhanded actions, thus putting us in serious financial difficulty.

9. They bring in a bunch of unknown un tested players, including an agent son, who never make a single appearance for the club (referred to as the Portugeezers)

10. They force long serving staff out of the door, with hardly a word of thanks or acknowledgement (David Lowe is one such example)

11. They appoint a global adviser, who turns the club into a laughing stock. (RIP Shebby, as you were well meaning)

12. They send £5m that was supposed to have been used for the club to Canada and cause serious issues with future funding, due to this.

13. Thye fail to maintain the ground adequately.

14. They raise the prices to such a level that they sell a record low number of season tickets and then announce that they will not try to re- engage with these lapsed fans.

15. They constantly have a reset and promise jam tomorrow, that never arrives.

16. They remove all of the historical memorabilia in blues bar and replace it, with their own version.

17. They constantly run out of stock in the club shop

18. They make it difficult for fans to buy tickets at times and force them into a more expensive route if they can.

19. The pay lip service to respecting the history of the club, such as a proper agenda for the upcoming 150th year.

20. They threaten the fans with a ban, if they rebel in the wrong way.

There are many more too, but no doubt you will attempt to defend these 20 for now.

 

This is a debate about the effectiveness of the fans forum. What has the above got to do with that ?

[lraC]

24 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Well, there are certainly some that are wide of the mark 😃.

I was in that meeting and this has been blown way out of proportion. This is a delay down to the club.

It's frustrating as hell and I in fact chased the completion of the minutes on Sunday with all that attended. 

 

From what I have been told, the minutes were written very quickly and approved by the club. some of the attendees, did not agree with the original version and questioned them. 

Are you saying this is not the case, as I have been lied to if this isn't correct. 

[lraC]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Classic, Masher.

yep, he needs to know the reason certain people think the fans have been taken for mugs.

I have heard it all now.

[lraC]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I dont think it's right to blame the FF or O2G for the minutes at all. That's was my main point. I think you are wide of the mark here 

They are several good people on the fans forum and I guarantee they don't get an easy ride at all. Easy to throw mud from the outside. These give up their free time to attend and asked questions to Rovers management 

 

Plenty give up their time under the radar too and I know only too well that the latest minutes, were not considered to be accurate, by some who attended.

I believe this will come out, so that people can make up their own minds. 

[K-Hod]

3 minutes ago, lraC said:

From what I have been told, the minutes were written very quickly and approved by the club. some of the attendees, did not agree with the original version and questioned them. 

Are you saying this is not the case, as I have been lied to if this isn't correct. 

That's what happened aye. 

It was more that points made needed more detail, so these were agreed and then went back to the club.

We're still at that stage.

[Mashed Potatoes]

4 minutes ago, lraC said:

yep, he needs to know the reason certain people think the fans have been taken for mugs.

I have heard it all now.

No. I need to know why holding the meetings with the fans forum means that club is taking the fans for mugs.

[roverblue]

All the fuss goes away about the minutes if those that attend just talk about what was said immediately after the meeting is held on here.

It's a simple thing to do and stops all the frustration and conspiracy. 

Please make it happen.

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, roverblue said:

All the fuss goes away about the minutes if those that attend just talk about what was said immediately after the meeting is held on here.

It's a simple thing to do and stops all the frustration and conspiracy. 

Please make it happen.

The minutes are a matter of record that appear on the club website so it is important they are got right.

[lraC]

3 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

No. I need to know why holding the meetings with the fans forum means that club is taking the fans for mugs.

I understand that the minutes have always been a watered down version of what has really happened. If that is the case, then the fans, who have read them and accepted that they are accurate, have been taken for mugs.

 

[lraC]

16 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The minutes are a matter of record that appear on the club website so it is important they are got right.

Exactly.

[lraC]

22 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

That's what happened aye. 

It was more that points made needed more detail, so these were agreed and then went back to the club.

We're still at that stage.

Thanks for confirming. That's exactly they way I understand it, but think the previous reply seemed to indicate the club had received them and not agreed them.

A delay as long as this, is understandable, if some of the attendees, wanted to ensure there was more detail and they have therefore been amended/ added to.

I take it, this is not normal, hence me saying what I have about previous versions?