Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Hasta]

Mowbray believes that had his character been different and he been more difficult in transfer dealings, he may have delivered a return to the Premier League.

Mowbray said: “I’d been to India, sat in front of them and told them I wouldn’t go back, and asked for more money. I could’ve and said we’re second in the league, but I never did it; it’s not in my personality. It’s probably why I’ve spent most of my career in the Championship.

“I do wonder whether I’d have been a bit nastier; if I’d moaned to owners or stamped my feet, I might have won more. But it’s not in my values; I didn’t feel I could go back.”

[Browjd]

Wasn’t TM the only manager that met them? 

[Hasta]

2 minutes ago, Browjd said:

Wasn’t TM the only manager that met them? 

Bowyer did as well.

[Mercer]

3 minutes ago, Browjd said:

Wasn’t TM the only manager that met them? 

 

1 minute ago, Hasta said:

Bowyer did as well.

A certain Mr Kean also did on more than one occasion, hopping on a plane very soon after he was appointed if my memory serves me correctly.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Mowbray believes that had his character been different and he been more difficult in transfer dealings, he may have delivered a return to the Premier League.

Mowbray said: “I’d been to India, sat in front of them and told them I wouldn’t go back, and asked for more money. I could’ve and said we’re second in the league, but I never did it; it’s not in my personality. It’s probably why I’ve spent most of my career in the Championship.

“I do wonder whether I’d have been a bit nastier; if I’d moaned to owners or stamped my feet, I might have won more. But it’s not in my values; I didn’t feel I could go back.”

If he had any belief in his own ability he could have spun it on the basis that

"I know I said I wouldn't come back and ask you for any more money but I really believe that with a little extra investment I could get this team promoted and you'll make tens of millions."

He didnt want to spend and then not get promoted which would have reflected badly on him and possibly put his job in jeopardy.

Sod all this ""Honourable man" crap. People fall for the "Cuddly Uncle Tony" routine every time.

 

[Hasta]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

If he had any belief in his own ability he could have spun it on the basis that

"I know I said I wouldn't come back and ask you for any more money but I really believe that with a little extra investment I could get this team promoted and you'll make tens of millions."

He didnt want to spend and then not get promoted which would have reflected badly on him and possibly put his job in jeopardy.

Sod all this ""Honourable man" crap. People fall for the "Cuddly Uncle Tony" routine every time.

 

Agree. In that situation in business you can present it as an opportunity that has unexpected arisen but needs special investment. There were plenty of ways to do that than just sayin “I want money”.

And if they say no, they say no, but at least he has asked. 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

All that said, as much as I can't stand him, on a strictly short term basis until the end of the season he'd STILL be a better bet than Ismael to keep us up.

Wouldn't want him having any say whatsoever in the Club beyond that though. Definitely the second worst option. Id sooner put Damien Johnson or David Lowe in temporary charge  before Mowbray

[Lancaster Rover]

2 hours ago, RoverDom said:

I read that as "Borat". We've done worse. 

Only just noticed autocorrect did me dirty, meant to say nowts happening 

[Gav]

16 minutes ago, Mercer said:

 

A certain Mr Kean also did on more than one occasion, hopping on a plane very soon after he was appointed if my memory serves me correctly.

Him and his wife went out with the team to play a local friendly. His wife was stopped at customs sneaking gold back into UK 🤔

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's not spinning the same thing at all. 2 entirely separate incidents.

The "Calm down" comments came immediately after promotion from League 1. From Mowbray himself, dampening expectations.

By your own admission he's said on a podcast he didnt feel in general that he he could ask for extra money which is a ridiculous stance for a manager to take.

Waggott also told someone I know in "The Rothwell window" there was a substantial one off war chest available which matched the promotion bonuses on offer which WERE actually publicised in the LT.

Waggott could have course have been lying, but presumably the bonus offers were genuine as they were publicised, and if the Club did have a war chest available, you wouldnt have expected them to divulge how much it was.

I didnt doubt that he was dampening expectations. Managers often do. Didnt mean that he turned down big budgets.

Again, agree that he should have demanded extra money. Although lets be clear, it shouldnt come down to that. But again, thats not turning down budgets which is what he is accused of.

The cryptic chinese whispers you have heard, make no sense. Why would he be so annoyed in the summer when he got no money and in the winter when he couldnt even sell a player to raise money, ie he clearly wanted money, if he also turned down money? It makes absolutely no sense. 

He is gone and he isnt coming back. He seems to have for some reason dug a really deep scar in you. But lets not indirectly give Venkys credit for offering fictional transfer budgets. And lets not run with myths to bear a grudge.

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The cryptic chinese whispers you have heard, make no sense. Why would he be so annoyed in the summer when he got no money and in the winter when he couldnt even sell a player to raise money, ie he clearly wanted money, if he also turned down money? It makes absolutely no sense. 

Why do you believe everything Mowbray says?

Edit: To me he was all about self preservation. Nothing else.

Edited 1 hour ago by RevidgeBlue

[DE.]

31 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Mowbray believes that had his character been different and he been more difficult in transfer dealings, he may have delivered a return to the Premier League.

Mowbray said: “I’d been to India, sat in front of them and told them I wouldn’t go back, and asked for more money. I could’ve and said we’re second in the league, but I never did it; it’s not in my personality. It’s probably why I’ve spent most of my career in the Championship.

“I do wonder whether I’d have been a bit nastier; if I’d moaned to owners or stamped my feet, I might have won more. But it’s not in my values; I didn’t feel I could go back.”

It's interesting to me how he phrases this. Like there were two binary options - either sit back and accept whatever you're given, or be petulant and rude. There is a third option - present a plan and say "if you give me x amount of money for the budget, I believe I can get us into the top six". That's not being nasty or stamping your feet, it's just being ambitious and believing in yourself in terms of what you can achieve.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Why do you believe everything Mowbray says?

Edit: To me he was all about self preservation. Nothing else.

The burden of proof isnt on me as its you and others that are saying he specifically rejected transfer funds.

Every manager is about self preservation. Do you think Tomasson and Eustace did what they did out of loyalty to our fans, or to improve their own careers?

[RevidgeBlue]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The burden of proof isnt on me as its you and others that are saying he specifically rejected transfer funds.

There's no "burden of proof" on me whatsoever. It's a discussion board not a Court room.

I've told you specially why I believe there were funds available (Waggott) and why  (imo) Mowbray wouldnt spend them (Didn't want to fail and look bad).

If you choose not to believe that that's your prerogative entirely.

All you've come up with is "I dont think anyone would do that" when Mowbray has himself admitted he didnt like asking the owners for money.

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

There's no "burden of proof" on me whatsoever. It's a discussion board not a Court room.

I've told you specially why I believe there were funds available (Waggott) and why  (imo) Mowbray wouldnt spend them (Didn't want to fail and look bad).

If you choose not to believe that that's your prerogative entirely.

All you've come up with is "I dont think anyone would do that" when Mowbray has himself admitted he didnt like asking the owners for money.

He didnt like asking the owners for money. As I have repeated, annoying but nowhere near the same.

And him specifically turning down money in a season when he publically called out the owners for not providing any reinvestment or even allowing him to sell a player and reinvest, makes no sense.

I think the more likely reason for that was something we have seen before and after, the owners fucking the manager over. Not them providing unspent and unwanted war chests. Occam's razor.

[Gav]

40 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

I've told you specially why I believe there were funds available (Waggott) and why  (imo) Mowbray wouldnt spend them (Didn't want to fail and look bad).

 

Give over Rev 🤣

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, Hasta said:

Mowbray believes that had his character been different and he been more difficult in transfer dealings, he may have delivered a return to the Premier League.

Mowbray said: “I’d been to India, sat in front of them and told them I wouldn’t go back, and asked for more money. I could’ve and said we’re second in the league, but I never did it; it’s not in my personality. It’s probably why I’ve spent most of my career in the Championship.

“I do wonder whether I’d have been a bit nastier; if I’d moaned to owners or stamped my feet, I might have won more. But it’s not in my values; I didn’t feel I could go back.”

I don't know what more evidence is needed on this it's from his own mouth.

Also absolutely nails why we never went anywhere once he'd made us a solid Champ team again.  No real desire nor ambition other than water treading thinking those budgets we had at the time would last forever.