2025-26 Relegation thread

[JHRover]

Well there'd be a lot more media attention on a 'big' club that was in the PL last season going straight down to League One as a direct result of FFP / points deductions. Much more than there would if Rovers/Oxford/Portsmouth just disappeared 'naturally' into League One. 

I'm sure their owner would be willing and able to throw big money at challenging it which could kick up all sorts of trouble and fuss and be covered in the news, and if he succeeded it would make a mockery of the league table and of the whole FFP/points deduction process.

I just think they'll much prefer it if any deduction is 'accepted' by Leicester whereby it can be successfully imposed on them and they accept it because it wipes the slate clean and doesn't directly lead to relegation. Everyone wins that way, Leicester survive and accept their punishment and can start afresh and the EFL can show everyone they've dealt with the issue seriously. 

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Who would the furore be from beside Leicester themselves?

Surely  if a punishment is imposed from the start of next season any Club who wouldn't have been relegated had the punishment been imposed this season?

The EFL must be praying Leicester stay up by more than 12 points. Even if they made a decision tomorrow (which they won't) that takes us into mid March and about 8 games to go.

Is if fair on Leicester if they receive a deduction with say 3-4 games to go and all of a sudden they have to perform miracles to stay up when previously they thought they were completely safe?

Maybe, maybe not but you can bet they'd be suing the EFL as well if that happened.

[RevidgeBlue]

7 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Well there'd be a lot more media attention on a 'big' club that was in the PL last season going straight down to League One as a direct result of FFP / points deductions. Much more than there would if Rovers/Oxford/Portsmouth just disappeared 'naturally' into League One. 

I'm sure their owner would be willing and able to throw big money at challenging it which could kick up all sorts of trouble and fuss and be covered in the news, and if he succeeded it would make a mockery of the league table and of the whole FFP/points deduction process.

I just think they'll much prefer it if any deduction is 'accepted' by Leicester whereby it can be successfully imposed on them and they accept it because it wipes the slate clean and doesn't directly lead to relegation. Everyone wins that way, Leicester survive and accept their punishment and can start afresh and the EFL can show everyone they've dealt with the issue seriously. 

Do they have much discretion on the number of points they can deduct? 

Surely it would have to be a fairly standard amount otherwise other Clubs affected would kick off.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just checked and it's 12 points for administration, and typically 6 points for FFP breaches or 9 points for more serious or repeat breaches.

Im not completely up to speed with it but it feels like Leicester are permanently in bother on this, due a deduction, get away with it because they got promoted, back in bother again after being relegated etc.

I imagine if they only got deducted 6 after the season finished having survived by 7-9 points other Clubs would definitely be kicking off.

[LeftWinger]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I imagine if they only got deducted 6 after the season finished having survived by 7-9 points other Clubs would definitely be kicking off.

You know full well that it will be Rovers' clutching at straws in that exact scenario come May.

[alexanders]

26 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Just checked and it's 12 points for administration, and typically 6 points for FFP breaches or 9 points for more serious or repeat breaches.

Im not completely up to speed with it but it feels like Leicester are permanently in bother on this, due a deduction, get away with it because they got promoted, back in bother again after being relegated etc.

I imagine if they only got deducted 6 after the season finished having survived by 7-9 points other Clubs would definitely be kicking off.

I read that it was most likely between 3 and 9 points based on similar case (Everton and Forest)

Edited 10 hours ago by alexanders

[philipl]

We are sufficiently far into the season that nobody in trouble is too good to go down. The West Brom transfer dealings make Gestede look brilliant in comparison by the way.

Huge amount depends on injuries. Hopefully we are through the worst on that front but the Ewood surface could yet sabotage us.

Suspect Leicester will get a 6 point deduction and their frequently rubbish performances mean they are in the doodoo.

Based on the season so far, there isn't a game on the fixture list we can't win and definitely none we are incapable of being beaten in.

Our Achilles heal is not scoring and that comes from creating ridiculously few good chances. A lot of this comes down to coaching as does conceding from set pieces and 90+ minutes goals against.

In short, problems which can be largely fixed with the players we have got.

However, I have less than zero confidence we will make appointments capable of fixing them so a totally avoidable relegation from which we won't recover is rightly priced at evens.

 

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Surely  if a punishment is imposed from the start of next season any Club who wouldn't have been relegated had the punishment been imposed this season?

The EFL must be praying Leicester stay up by more than 12 points. Even if they made a decision tomorrow (which they won't) that takes us into mid March and about 8 games to go.

Is if fair on Leicester if they receive a deduction with say 3-4 games to go and all of a sudden they have to perform miracles to stay up when previously they thought they were completely safe?

Maybe, maybe not but you can bet they'd be suing the EFL as well if that happened.

Unfair? Maybe

Their own fault? Definitely

[Waggy76]

8 hours ago, philipl said:

We are sufficiently far into the season that nobody in trouble is too good to go down. The West Brom transfer dealings make Gestede look brilliant in comparison by the way.

Huge amount depends on injuries. Hopefully we are through the worst on that front but the Ewood surface could yet sabotage us.

Suspect Leicester will get a 6 point deduction and their frequently rubbish performances mean they are in the doodoo.

Based on the season so far, there isn't a game on the fixture list we can't win and definitely none we are incapable of being beaten in.

Our Achilles heal is not scoring and that comes from creating ridiculously few good chances. A lot of this comes down to coaching as does conceding from set pieces and 90+ minutes goals against.

In short, problems which can be largely fixed with the players we have got.

However, I have less than zero confidence we will make appointments capable of fixing them so a totally avoidable relegation from which we won't recover is rightly priced at evens.

 

People have been saying Leicester are going to get a points deduction, but when ?

It is February now , they got away with something last time when they won the league!

Edited 1 hour ago by Waggy76

[RevidgeBlue]

7 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Unfair? Maybe

Their own fault? Definitely

Yep.

It's a bit like if we went down by one point and had lost two due to the Ipswich abandonment.

Is it unfair ( that they didnt just replay the last 10 - 15 mins under the same conditions) ? Probably.

Is it our own fault - definitely.

No-one outside of the 2 Clubs will be shedding a tear for either of us though.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

People have been saying Leicester are going to get a points deduction, but when ?

It is February now , they got away with something last time when they won the league!

The EFL must just be crossing their fingers and hoping that Leicester stay up by at least 10 points then they can just dish out the maximum 9 point punishment either just before the end of the season or as soon as it finishes then Leicester will just accept it and no-one else has any recourse.

Any other outcome and I cant see how the EFL dont get sued by someone.

[allanncd]

41 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

The EFL must just be crossing their fingers and hoping that Leicester stay up by at least 10 points then they can just dish out the maximum 9 point punishment either just before the end of the season or as soon as it finishes then Leicester will just accept it and no-one else has any recourse.

Any other outcome and I cant see how the EFL dont get sued by someone.

The way the EFL hand down the points deductions is completely opaque. Justice should be seen to be done but it is clear it administers the "punishment" at a time that minimises the possibility of the EFL being sued by the offending club.

[Upside Down]

I'm not sure how clubs can sue the authorities over things like points deductions etc. 

The authorities make the rules, if they are broken then you face the punishment. 

The whole thing is a complete joke. No wonder myself and many others simply don't give a fuck anymore.