January Transfer Needs

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

I think our league position tells you everything you need to know about the summer window. The idea that the majority of our signings have been good and only a couple didn't work out doesn't really align with our swift downward trajectory from playoff hopefuls to survival hopefuls. 

Well that's all down to personal opinion and what people see when watching games. 

But Alebiosu and Gudjohnsen have been our best 2 signings follow by Morishita, Miller and McLoughlin who have been solid of fairly good signings. Baradji is the one, I want to see more and see whether he can contiune to improve and show us why Ismael was so keen on here. 

that would be 6 out of 10 signings that have been better than Average, is that's s awful/bad? 

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Oh great - the Club's unofficial PR Department is back to tell us what a great window we're going to have/ are having.

Is there actually any need to post such pointless comments towards a poster, why not respect their comments whilst disagreeing with them?

[DE.]

Our league position isn't an opinion. 

Unless you're saying Ismael is the problem? In which case fair enough. 

[RevidgeBlue]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is there actually any need to post such pointless comments towards a poster, why not respect their comments whilst disagreeing with them?

In this particular poster's case, it's because he only ever pops up just before and during every transfer window and is never heard from inbetween.

He's briefed by the Club imo.

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The point I made was nothing to do with signing Sanderson.

It was that discussing whether we have got better or worse would be based on the players we had last season, not how they have done since.

For me, far too focus on compare teams from different seasons when so much within that season has changed within the league, different teams, squad different, so many head coaches changes. Why is so relevant? 

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

How can you possibly say already that Baradji looks like he will be a good signing.

Its Christmas, and he hasnt started a game. You are quick to shoot down people for what you perceive to be writing off players when its the other way around, even half a season in having started games.

based on his performances and the facts he is getting fitter and fitter. I'm sure he will start a game soon but you always had a massive and major point with this signing cos he was injury and that has always been your issue with Baradji being here. 

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Its flippant to say that all clubs have signings that wont work out.

Most clubs dont have windows with as many total duds, with as many holes in their squad and with as drastic a drop in results.

How many duds have we signed? 

some players work out and some don't. Even managerial greats like Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho make poor signings that don't work out. Mourinho had Salah and De Bryune at Chelsea and couldn't get them performing at all. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

In this particular poster's case, it's because he only ever pops up just before and during every transfer window and is never heard from inbetween.

He's briefed by the Club imo.

You are completely and utter wrong on Paul. I know Paul and to be honest you are talking utter rubbish. He isn't briefed by the club at all. He has different opinion to yours just like I have. 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

You are completely and utter wrong on Paul. I know Paul and to be honest you are talking utter rubbish. He isn't briefed by the club at all. He has different opinion to yours just like I have. 

Well thank God you respect my comments whilst disagreeing with them!

Lol.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

32 minutes ago, DE. said:

If 6/10 of our signings are C or above (mostly A or then that is the majority. Granted maybe C is more adequate than good, but still. 

C is adequate not good 

we will agree to disagree for me good signings have been 

McLaughlin miller morishita gudjohnsen Alebiosu 

but in comparison terms compared to last season the squad as a whole has been downgraded on 

[Hasta]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But Alebiosu and Gudjohnsen have been our best 2 signings follow by Morishita, Miller and McLoughlin who have been solid of fairly good signings. Baradji is the one, I want to see more and see whether he can contiune to improve and show us why Ismael was so keen on here. 

If Miller and McLaughlin are “better than average”, who would you class as average Rovers Championship centre backs from the last few years? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hasta

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How many duds have we signed? 

Imo. At least five out of eleven. A very high percentage.

De Neve. Tavares. Forshaw. Henrikssen. Miller.

That will become six if Baradji breaks down injured.

[simongarnerisgod]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It took me about 30 minutes at the Accy Stanley friendly. He looked like somebody who had just come out of the crowd  to make up the numbers.

there were rumours flying around that in pre season training deneve was "lacking in ability!!" i don`t think iv`e seen anybody so uncomfortable at this level

[RevidgeBlue]

30 minutes ago, DE. said:

Our league position isn't an opinion. 

Just so.

He's also lacks the self awareness to comprehend that his OPINION that we've signed at least 6 players who've been above average is exactly that.

No more valid or factual than my opinion that we've signed one excellent one and one with potential out of eleven.

The only thing you can judge both opinions against though, are fixed metrics like League position.

We should storm League 1 next season though with all these supposedly great players.

[DE.]

25 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

C is adequate not good 

we will agree to disagree for me good signings have been 

McLaughlin miller morishita gudjohnsen Alebiosu 

but in comparison terms compared to last season the squad as a whole has been downgraded on 

I think our disagreement is probably more on context. I'd agree that relative to the budget given most of the signings have at least been adequate. 

However, as far as my ambitions for the club are concerned, not so much. I want us to be better than relegation battlers and history suggests we absolutely should be. In that sense, Alebiosu is probably the only signing I'd put in the good category. Maybe Gudjohnsen at a push but he's still a downgrade on the likes of Armstrong or Szmodics. 

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Imo. At least five out of eleven. A very high percentage.

De Neve. Tavares. Forshaw. Henrikssen. Miller.

That will become six if Baradji breaks down injured.

De Neve and Tavares hasn't work out. I've been very clear on that 

Miller not for me, yes odd games he been poor but the Millwall he was very good. 

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

De Neve and Tavares hasn't work out. I've been very clear on that 

Miller not for me, yes odd games he been poor but the Millwall he was very good. 

I know, you repeat your opinion on each player every time someone posts their own.

Just because you've repeated it so many times doesnt make it more or less valid than the first time you said it. 

[roversfan99]

48 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

For me, far too focus on compare teams from different seasons when so much within that season has changed within the league, different teams, squad different, so many head coaches changes. Why is so relevant? 

based on his performances and the facts he is getting fitter and fitter. I'm sure he will start a game soon but you always had a massive and major point with this signing cos he was injury and that has always been your issue with Baradji being here. 

How many duds have we signed? 

some players work out and some don't. Even managerial greats like Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho make poor signings that don't work out. Mourinho had Salah and De Bryune at Chelsea and couldn't get them performing at all. 

 

You keep saying that all teams have poor signings.

The only way that would be a valid counter argument is if I said that I expect all of our signings to work out. I obviously dont.

What the success or failure comes down to is how many signings are good, how many are poor, how good and poor they are, how well the squad is balanced, and how the team does compared to previous seasons and expectations.

We have numerous signings who arent just poor, they are terrible. One in Alebiosu has been an excellent signing. Another in Gudjohnsen has been very good. 3 others have been ok, one hasnt started a game yet and one or two others are a bit below par. The squads massively imbalanced and we are is it 13 places lower in the table. You are making out like every team has an equal amount of successes and failures and its just one of those things.

Thats not a case of shrugging and going, well even Ferguson and Mourinho didnt get it right all of the time. Its obviously not comparable to that.

And on Baradji. This isnt me having it in for him. He has shown promise in a couple of cameos. But how you can possibly even suggest that hes towards the successful end is ridiculous when he literally hasnt started a game yet.

[RoversClitheroe]

This thread is literally a thread where Chaddy defends the undefendable.

De Neve terrible 

Tavares even worse

Miller is meh (when comparing to Batth and Hyam)

McLaughlin same again (when comparing to Batth and Hyam)

TGH shit compared to what we had before

Henrikson - think he has something but not seen it yet.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

This thread is literally a thread where Chaddy defends the undefendable.

De Neve terrible 

Tavares even worse

Miller is meh (when comparing to Batth and Hyam)

McLaughlin same again (when comparing to Batth and Hyam)

TGH shit compared to what we had before

Henrikson - think he has something but not seen it yet.

 

Plus Forshaw who predictably is rarely available due to injury.

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You keep saying that all teams have poor signings.

The only way that would be a valid counter argument is if I said that I expect all of our signings to work out. I obviously dont.

What the success or failure comes down to is how many signings are good, how many are poor, how good and poor they are, how well the squad is balanced, and how the team does compared to previous seasons and expectations.

what were people expectations? I was talking to 3 follow Rovers supporting friends who were all saying that given the squad overhaul and everything, staying up was their objective and build on that for next summer. 

What the point comparing everything to previous seasons when so much has changed not just at Rovers but within the league like the teams involved, transfers, different head coaches, etc. 

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We have numerous signings who arent just poor, they are terrible. One in Alebiosu has been an excellent signing. Another in Gudjohnsen has been very good. 3 others have been ok, one hasnt started a game yet and one or two others are a bit below par. The squads massively imbalanced and we are is it 13 places lower in the table. You are making out like every team has an equal amount of successes and failures and its just one of those things. Thats not a case of shrugging and going, well even Ferguson and Mourinho didnt get it right all of the time. Its obviously not comparable to that.

its a couple of players. the squad need re-adjust now cos of the change of formations but nowhere near your doom gloom comments. 

I remember people praising Birmingham for spending £8m on Kyogo Furuhashi, he has yet to score in the championship and he has struggled in this league. He was their big summer signing and spent over half their transfer spent on him. Some signings work out and some don't. That's is football, you could go through each club transfers and you would be similar were some have work, some ok and some that haven't. 

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

And on Baradji. This isnt me having it in for him. He has shown promise in a couple of cameos. But how you can possibly even suggest that hes towards the successful end is ridiculous when he literally hasnt started a game yet.

You were against him coming here from the start cos of the injury. Since playing, you can see why Ismael wanted him and what was around that. If he carry on and keep getting fitter then I think he will turn out like one.