January Transfer Needs

[KentExile]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Maybe Dykes would if played more minutes, he doesn't start many games for Birmingham but he has more goals than their 8m striker who has none, yes none. 

 

I know you probably meant league goals, but...

 

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Unsure as to why you are so fixated on a random signing from another Championship club, yes Kyogo has been a crap signing, youve mentioned it a few times with little context or links to current discussion.

Dykes has not scored many goals across his entire career.

I mentioned Dykes and its was yourself who is no, no, no all the time

little context, really? Kyogo signed for 8m, no goals, their big money signing yet a squad player like Dykes who doesn't start many games has 2 games as he is impact sub. How that for your context? 

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, KentExile said:

I know you probably meant league goals, but..

Yes I did mean league goals

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I mentioned Dykes and its was yourself who is no, no, no all the time

little context, really? Kyogo signed for 8m, no goals, their big money signing yet a squad player like Dykes who doesn't start many games has 2 games as he is impact sub. How that for your context? 

But how is it relevant to us?

We wouldnt be signing Kyogo. Dykes is behind him, Duksch and Stansfield in the pecking order. If you are using a failed signing who has scored 0 goals as a benchmark to prove that an alternative is good, then that would be incredibly low standards.

My opinion on Dykes spans across a career of an inability to score many goals. We were linked a couple of years ago (was more Nixon bullshit) and I was against it then. He hasnt done anything since to change my mind.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

We were linked a couple of years ago (was more Nixon bullshit)

We were linked with him last summer when Eustace wanted him but others didn't. We got Ohashi instead. 

It was just a suggestion, that's it all. 

I wonder if we will move Sambou Soumano who bid for during the summer and apparently only 6 months on contract or Milan Smit who we will linked to during the final weeks of the window. 

[islander200]

If TGH starts instead of Baradji on Monday night then something odd is going on.

Due to us signing him while injured and having to have an operation I wonder if the option fee Is flexible  like we would have to pay a bigger fee the more minutes he has and if he doesn't make a league start before the January window opening then the fee would be cheaper. 

I'm surprised he hasn't started a game yet ,I thought he was going to get a start v boro and give Morishita a rest 

[sharpysharps86]

4 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Why do we need CB cover when we've got Litherland and O'Riordan?

Litherland is filling in at right wing back isn't he? If one of the 3 current CB's gets injured, (always a possibility) we then chuck O'Riordan in and there's no cover for any more injuries or suspensions. Feels a bit thin to me.

[Exiled_Rover]

26 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Litherland is filling in at right wing back isn't he? If one of the 3 current CB's gets injured, (always a possibility) we then chuck O'Riordan in and there's no cover for any more injuries or suspensions. Feels a bit thin to me.

He's a CB playing there and it clearly shows. 

This formation lives and dies by the quality of its wingbacks. Bringing in a starting LWB and backup for Alebiosu (so we don't run him into the ground) would be amazing.

[M_B]

37 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Litherland is filling in at right wing back isn't he? If one of the 3 current CB's gets injured, (always a possibility) we then chuck O'Riordan in and there's no cover for any more injuries or suspensions. Feels a bit thin to me.

Sure I heard late Jan/early Feb for a Wharton return? If(I know) him and Carter are available in the next two or 3 weeks, we're going to be well stocked.

Can't really see us signing a centre half if that's the case. I'd suggest if we do sign one, it isn't good news for one or both. 

[roversfan99]

If we were stupid enough to repeat the mistake of putting any reliance on Carter and Wharton then we deserve the inevitable spell of being short that will occur.

We are short not only of regularly available numbers but of quality and balance. We need someone to slot into the middle of the back 3, essentially (I know we played a different formation, but in terms of quality) a massively overdue Hyam replacement.

[sharpysharps86]

19 minutes ago, M_B said:

Sure I heard late Jan/early Feb for a Wharton return? If(I know) him and Carter are available in the next two or 3 weeks, we're going to be well stocked.

Can't really see us signing a centre half if that's the case. I'd suggest if we do sign one, it isn't good news for one or both. 

If Carter comes back and sees out the rest of the season without another injury I'll be very surprised. Likewise with Wharton.

[M_B]

11 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

If Carter comes back and sees out the rest of the season without another injury I'll be very surprised. Likewise with Wharton.

I agree, but I can't honestly see them signing someone unless it's certain that one or both won't play in the near future. 

If you add those 2 to the list of centre halves, I'm reckoning 7 including Aitcheson. 

[chaddyrovers]

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We need someone to slot into the middle of the back 3

what's wrong with McLoughlin in the centre? 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

what's wrong with McLoughlin in the centre? 

For a start, he isnt very good in the air. Even when he wins it, it isnt particularly accurate.

I dont think hes good enough to be the main central defender.

I think he is more suited to the left side.

[M_B]

Be interesting to see how we're fairing defensively compared to this time last season. This season we have the 7th best goals against record with 26, only 3 goals worse than second best. 

Are we really missing Hyam and Baath that much ? 

It doesn't seem to be the defence which is struggling. 

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Because I have seen it happen time and time again. And like many, I feel like I have enough historical evidence to predict the most likely outcome of the upcoming transfer window.

If you choose to keep your head in the sand and refuse to predict, thats fine, but theres no reason to try and stop me from sharing my opinion. If you dont see any point predicting, fine, just scroll past.

Unsure as to why you are so fixated on a random signing from another Championship club, yes Kyogo has been a crap signing, youve mentioned it a few times with little context or links to current discussion.

Dykes has not scored many goals across his entire career.

Tbf kyogo no context needed it’s been a rubbish signing like alot of birminghams 

[roversfan99]

32 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Tbf kyogo no context needed it’s been a rubbish signing like alot of birminghams 

He has, but it has no relevance to whether Dykes would be good for us or how good a player Dykes is.

[DackDackGoose]

I'd like to see an experienced CB come in. Seems we have options at least. Pratt would benefit from a good loan next year. 

Less worried about defence now, agreed with others let's get wing back/attack sorted. We're looking awful in the final 3rd. I actually think a Dykes esque player could suit this setup. Wont score a load though and that's what's needed

[Ghost7]

Szmodics on loan? Now 30 and wants out of Ipswich. No goals this season.

He's had his moment and isn't going back to the PL again.

[philipl]

Why are we talking about Dykes and who was Beck?

We moved Vale on in the Summer also.

If we are replacing any of the back 3 with O Riordan, surely it is McLaughlin?

If we have budget, I would move Gueye on and focus on a striker early in the window given Gudjonsson is not going to be available all January.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, philipl said:

Why are we talking about Dykes? 

Cos it was me who suggested him as potential signing. 

2 hours ago, philipl said:

 

If we are replacing any of the back 3 with O Riordan, surely it is McLaughlin?

Why? 

2 hours ago, philipl said:

If we have budget, I would move Gueye on and focus on a striker early in the window given Gudjonsson is not going to be available all January.

Agreed 

[KentExile]

6 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

Szmodics on loan? Now 30 and wants out of Ipswich. No goals this season.

He's had his moment and isn't going back to the PL again.

he has been injured.  Even if he was available, wages would be a huge issue.  Rovers don't even pay what he was on when he was here, let alone anything close to what he is on now

 

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/25714511.ipswich-town-george-hirst-sammie-szmodics-injury-updates/

 

Szmodics, meanwhile, dropped out of the squad having recently made his comeback from a knee injury with three late cameos.

On Szmodics, the Blues boss said: "That was just illness."

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[MarkBRFC]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

what's wrong with McLoughlin in the centre? 

He's really poor in the centre. Weak, not commanding and not great in the air. Might get away with him on the left side of the 3, like we did when Wharton was playing in the middle.

You can tell why Hull shunted him out to left back when he was there.

7 hours ago, DackDackGoose said:

I'd like to see an experienced CB come in. Seems we have options at least. Pratt would benefit from a good loan next year. 

Out of contract in the summer so probably just let him walk away.

One contract club FC.

Edited 3 hours ago by MarkBRFC

[KentExile]

10 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

He's really poor in the centre. Weak, not commanding and not great in the air. Might get away with him on the left side of the 3, like we did when Wharton was playing in the middle.

You can tell why Hull shunted him out to left back when he played there.

Out of contract in the summer so probably just let him walk away.

One contract club FC.

Don't worry, we hold a year option on Pratt, so we will trigger that, then drag our heels for an extra year, just to show the rest of the division what they can have for next to nothing in a years time 😉 

Obviously any serious club would be getting him tied down to 4-5 years now, at a relatively affordable wage, even for current day Venky Rovers, but no, as always, better to save a few pennies now rather than think about anything more than 6 months in the future

We don't know what division we will be in next year after all 😉 

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[MarkBRFC]

Ah did wonder if the kick the can down the road option might be there.

Same with Montgomery isn't it?

You would think these two would be the easiest contracts they could possibly sort out, but like you say why bother?