January Transfer Needs

[KentExile]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

That Tyjon news shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

It was clear when he didn't sign a deal when he turned 17 that he wasn't going to.

His mind may have been changed if he was getting 10-20 minutes off the bench most games (whether he was ready for first team football or not), but he wasn't, so we will never know

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Ive said that previously this morning

No you said get your targets as they come 

my argument is the primary target the main position required come Jan 1st is a striker I don’t want to see a defender come in first or a wing back I want a striker in the door first and work round that after 

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Major blow feels slightly hypabolic.

Major blow to finances maybe?  If not the first team squad.  If he had signed a contract, they would get more when he was sold

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

His mind may have been changed if he was getting 10-20 minutes off the bench most games (whether he was ready for first team football or not), but he wasn't, so we will never know

Can’t agree on that (but your right we won’t know) he held all the cards Arsenal are after him so no way IMO he was ever staying 

[wilsdenrover]

8 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Major blow to finances maybe?  If not the first team squad.  If he had signed a contract, they would get more when he was sold

Potentially but then there’s the likelihood of any additional money being used wisely (if at all).

Edited 2 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[roversfan99]

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't shout down anyone. I give my thoughts and opinions. 

Its yourself who shouts everything down. 

You want to overhaul the squad by getting rid of 6 or 7 and signing 6 or 7. Never going to happen in January window. Maybe stick to reality. We want 3 or 4 whilst players like Gueye, Garrett, Tyjon, Maybe Ribeiro and De Neve will go aswell. Hopefully Carter as well

I think the squad needs a considerable overhaul.

The league table and the number of dead weights in our squad and the lack of options in certain areas backs me up.

I dont think its got a chance of happening in January.

I dont know how you have ascertained that I think its realistic. My expectations of Gestede armed with pennies by our terrible owners are on the floor.

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I know Val did. Nicko has said this morning Rovers have striker targets and they will cost. 

Why cant you look to sign a striker, centre back and another player by putting bids in for all 3 players right now. That's my point. 

Is "Nicko" on the case with more stories about all these wonderful players we are looking to sign?  

Almost as if he has stories to sell and a club to suck up to.

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I would let him for a free with sell on clause to anyone. Somebody would sign him. Even a club in the Middle East

No matter what part of the world it is, not being fit to play any games makes any player be of no use to them.

You dont even know if Carter would want to move to this ficticious Middle Eastern side.

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Potentially but then there’s the likelihood of any additional money being used wisely (if at all).

Of course, but it would have saved Venkys using some of their own money on the electric bill 😉 

Which is what seems to matter the most these days

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[MarkBRFC]

19 minutes ago, KentExile said:

His mind may have been changed if he was getting 10-20 minutes off the bench most games (whether he was ready for first team football or not), but he wasn't, so we will never know

Maybe, you can't do that in the hope he will sign a new deal though when its clear he is nowhere near ready.

[KentExile]

2 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Maybe, you can't do that in the hope he will sign a new deal though when its clear he is nowhere near ready.

Completely agree, was just a hypothetical

I am surprised that the club didn't try it regardless.  It is rare that the quality of the playing squad is a primary consideration

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[roverandout]

Sick of epl clubs cherry picking youngsters. 

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, roverandout said:

Sick of epl clubs cherry picking youngsters. 

we did cherry pick him from Rochdale 2 years ago

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Not sure who the sky commentators were last night. But I think one is usually an ex pro and was spot on about Rovers front players.  He commented on seeing Rovers a few times and on each occasion, how bereft of quality they are in the attacking third.  He'd noted that our 2 strikers (regardless of combination) just run around a lot.  They don't work off each other (in any kind of partnership) or offer much of a goal threat.  That coupled with a lack of quality out wide (Alebiosu would be the exception) means we often have good possession but create very few clear chances. 

Desperately need 2 forwards.  We have done since Szmodic left. 

We need a proper attacking LWB or left back.  Not having Hedges - he's bench at best.  

We should be off loading DeNeve/Henrikson/Tavares back to Belgium or wherever as they clearly aren't able to impact games in a positive way at this standard. 

TGH is a Jason Lowe reincarnation. League one or two is his level.  Birmingham know that. 

Morashita doesn't look robust or quick enough for the Championship. 

I'd also argue that Platt/Litherland look better prospects than Miller.  

Piss poor recruitment so far from team Gestede.  Can't wait to see who comes through the door this window.  Expecting Cantwell/Alebiosu to be sold to pay for the next lot.  

As an aside.  Any chance we are being proactive and getting Alebiosu on a new long term contract? 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Wing Wizard Windy Miller

[KentExile]

3 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

 

As an aside.  Any chance we are being proactive and getting Alebiosu on a new long term contract? 

 

 

Don't be silly

[LDRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

You want to overhaul the squad by getting rid of 6 or 7 and signing 6 or 7. Never going to happen in January window. Maybe stick to reality. We want 3 or 4 whilst players like Gueye, Garrett, Tyjon, Maybe Ribeiro and De Neve will go aswell. Hopefully Carter as well

You have a go at RF99 for being unrealistic on a squad overhaul with 6 or 7 out and 6 or 7 in and then say you want 6 out and 4 in which firstly, is an overhaul, secondly weakens the squad depth and thirdly is more or less what RF99 was saying!!

I'm convinced that if RF99's post had been made by anyone else you wouldn't have bothered responding.

[LDRover]

17 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

Not sure who the sky commentators were last night. But I think one is usually an ex pro and was spot on about Rovers front players.  He commented on seeing Rovers a few times and on each occasion, how bereft of quality they are in the attacking third.  He'd noted that our 2 strikers (regardless of combination) just run around a lot.  They don't work off each other (in any kind of partnership) or offer much of a goal threat.  That coupled with a lack of quality out wide (Alebiosu would be the exception) means we often have good possession but create very few clear chances. 

Desperately need 2 forwards.  We have done since Szmodic left. 

We need a proper attacking LWB or left back.  Not having Hedges - he's bench at best.  

We should be off loading DeNeve/Henrikson/Tavares back to Belgium or wherever as they clearly aren't able to impact games in a positive way at this standard. 

TGH is a Jason Lowe reincarnation. League one or two is his level.  Birmingham know that. 

Morashita doesn't look robust or quick enough for the Championship. 

I'd also argue that Platt/Litherland look better prospects than Miller.  

Piss poor recruitment so far from team Gestede.  Can't wait to see who comes through the door this window.  Expecting Cantwell/Alebiosu to be sold to pay for the next lot.  

As an aside.  Any chance we are being proactive and getting Alebiosu on a new long term contract? 

 

Great post and the last bit is message board gold.

[Kjell]

We had a horrible transfer window this summer and will need a brilliant one in January to correct all those mistakes made.

That will not happen. Not under Gestede. Not under Pasha. Never under Venkys.

 

 

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, LDRover said:

You have a go at RF99 for being unrealistic on a squad overhaul with 6 or 7 out and 6 or 7 in and then say you want 6 out and 4 in which firstly, is an overhaul, secondly weakens the squad depth and thirdly is more or less what RF99 was saying!!

I'm convinced that if RF99's post had been made by anyone else you wouldn't have bothered responding.

I’m not entirely convinced that Chaddy and RF99 aren’t the two personalities of the same person😁😁

[roversfan99]

Just posted on the Sheffield Wednesday thread but I actually think we desperately need in 5 new players. Pretty much all of them are needed urgently, and none of them are areas that I think we can avoid or do without.

We clearly need 2 new strikers, 1 simply wont suffice. We play 2, its the position you are probably most likely to sub mid game, and you badly need options off the bench. None of our attempted square pegs in round holes have looked remotely effective and we seem to have no young strikers coming through. We need some pace within that as we sre so slow.

We definitely need a new centre back. One to slot straight into the team, right footed. With O'Riordan coming back too.

I think we need a wing back on both sides. We badly need our wing backs to play on the front foot and be good going forward. Hedges is the only one who can play left wing back and he is not very good going forward, I suggested Harry Amass. We also need a more similar alternative when Alebiosu is available.

Goalkeeper obviously we are fine, in central midfield I am not convinced by the quality of all of the options and we could do with more of a goal threat but it may be able to keep until summer.

There are a number of players that for various reasons are unneeded. Obviously we wont be able to shift them all. Gueye, De Neve, Henriksson, Kargbo and Tavares all simply not good enough. Pickering and Ribeiro are left backs that have fallen out of favour due to the system change. Carter is a busted flush although I accept that no one will take him.

I have also mentioned that I could forsee a possibility for Litherland to benefit from a loan late in the window. I think hes done well, I like certain things that I see, but I dont think he is a wing back. He needs to bulk up similar to Scott Wharton who benefitted from a loan when he was growing to then be able to be reassessed in the summer but as a centre back. He is less robust than Pratt but looks better on the ball, longer term he could potentially play that right sided centre back position.

Most of this wont happen but its what I think we need to end the window with a more well rounded squad capable of fighting off relegation.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Nicko confirmed just now, we want striker and we have targets in mind. 

We still need another centre back cos we cant rely on Carter. My preference would a right footed. 

Maybe they will use Miller more as wing back now going forward. Plus can we rely on Carter fitness? No we cant. 

We will bring a striker in. We have targets as Nicko has said today. 

We always have players targeted according to Nicko. That is how he makes his money. He wouldn't get paid if he said we aren't interested in anyone. Usually out of price range for our budget.

Miller is too slow to play wingback or full back.

Do we release Carter as he cannot be relied on? What about Wharton do we release him too?

 

 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

We always have players targeted according to Nicko. That is how he makes his money. He wouldn't get paid if he said we aren't interested in anyone. Usually out of price range for our budget.

Miller is too slow to play wingback or full back.

Do we release Carter as he cannot be relied on? What about Wharton do we release him too?

 

 

To release them we would have to pay them up so it makes little sense.

Totally agree with the stuff on Nixon. And people buy into it.

[KentExile]

7 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

 

Do we release Carter as he cannot be relied on? What about Wharton do we release him too?

 

 

That would involve paying up the remaining 1.5 years of his contract, or at the very least coming to a financial agreement with Carter to terminate his contract early

It wont happen

[KentExile]

If true, makes little sense, is a wide forward/winger, right footed, plays on the left, cutting inside, is quick from what I have seen though

Maybe they plan to convert him to a striker, or move back to a back 4 and wingers at the end of this season?

 

Edited 9 minutes ago by KentExile