Todd Cantwell - is he off?

[TimmyJimmy]

9 hours ago, Gav said:

We are 20th because of the owners, the cheap people they employ and the distain they hold the club and the town in.

Players come and go, seasons come and go, but Jesus wept, we need rid of this owners and sharpish.

100%.

Little extra needs saying except I'd add this, if VI was a party to the sale of the players in close season and had input into the purchase of the current dross then he fully deserves to be condemned with Gestede, the board and the owners.

If he didn't then I'm not on his case because any manager being asked to compete with this line up is doomed to fail. Even Fergie couldn't pull it off. These players are absolutely nowhere near Championship standard.

Chuck in a couple postponement replays, a whole team of 'first on the list' players injured and too many games in too short a time on a shit heavy hamstring tearing pitch, chuck in some 'unfortunate' refereeing displays and we are where I think we'd expect to be.

There can be no argument whatsoever that we have been poisoned by the ownership and it's impossible to know why. They employ the board, fire good people and hire bad, they starve us of funds, they sell our good players, they run down contracts and force people out.

If VI was party to any of the above then he deserves all the anger that's come his way. If he was a desperate unemployed manager who was grasping for any straw and thought 'how bad could it be' well now he knows.

Cantwell is an excellent player surrounded by average (at best) players, he cannot shine, he has to be frustrated. If I were him I'd be off like a shot.

Who the heck is going to sign for a club like this in January?

100% agree with you mate, our only hope is a sale and clear out. How likely is that? 0%.

The club is done.

Edited 6 hours ago by TimmyJimmy

[KentExile]

22 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

Who the heck is going to sign for a club like this in January?

 

Emmanuel Dennis' slightly shitter brother?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, TimmyJimmy said:

Who the heck is going to sign for a club like this in January?

People made the same arguments in the summer yet we made signings 

[RTM08]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

People made the same arguments in the summer yet we made signings 

Yep, and almost all of them aren't cut out for the division we're in, unsurprisingly.

[Gav]

39 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

People made the same arguments in the summer yet we made signings 

Yet we are 20th and potentially going down chaddy. You, like every Rovers fan, must be worried, especially with our ability to recruit. 

The season gets tougher every Christmas when injuries hit and pitches get heavy, this season is no different and I can’t see a way out right now. One stroke of luck we have had though, is Sheff Weds points deduction, as that means they take up 1 spot, only 2 more are available, thankfully. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, RTM08 said:

Yep, and almost all of them aren't cut out for the division we're in, unsurprisingly.

Alebiosu and Gudjohnsen have been our star buys and proved their worth. 

McLoughlin and Miller have been good and before yesterday game we had a 6th best defensive record and 3 clean sheets in a row

The biggest disappointed has been Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson

[K-Hod]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Alebiosu and Gudjohnsen have been our star buys and proved their worth. 

McLoughlin and Miller have been good and before yesterday game we had a 6th best defensive record and 3 clean sheets in a row

The biggest disappointed has been Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson

I think you’re being far too kind on McLoughlin and Miller, I’ll be honest.

[RTM08]

4 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I think you’re being far too kind on McLoughlin and Miller, I’ll be honest.

I think it's easier to look half decent as a central defender when you're playing in a negative back 5 with 2 CDM's sat in front. They were abysmal in a back 4 earlier in the season.

[roversfan99]

All comes down to standards.

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

Yet we are 20th and potentially going down chaddy. You, like every Rovers fan, must be worried, especially with our ability to recruit. 

The season gets tougher every Christmas when injuries hit and pitches get heavy, this season is no different and I can’t see a way out right now. One stroke of luck we have had though, is Sheff Weds points deduction, as that means they take up 1 spot, only 2 more are available, thankfully. 

Gav, do you think I know where we are in the league and am I worried about going down? Not at this stage. What we need a couple signings like a forward and creatively midfielder plus a centre back. its clear what we in terms of new signings now, its over to Rudy to deliver on that? 

[roversfan99]

Yeah, we will be reyt. Just need a couple of signings as the cherry on top of the cake that is our otherwise functioning team. "Top spy" Gestede will sort it.

[Gav]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gav, do you think I know where we are in the league and am I worried about going down? Not at this stage. What we need a couple signings like a forward and creatively midfielder plus a centre back. its clear what we in terms of new signings now, its over to Rudy to deliver on that? 

Do you recall a time, under Venkys, where the January window has produced the outcome you describe above?

Edited 2 hours ago by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

29 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I think you’re being far too kind on McLoughlin and Miller, I’ll be honest.

before yesterday game we have the 6th best defensive record in the league. 

22 minutes ago, RTM08 said:

I think it's easier to look half decent as a central defender when you're playing in a negative back 5 with 2 CDM's sat in front. They were abysmal in a back 4 earlier in the season.

How is playing at 3 back negative? 

and we don't play with 2 DM's. Tronstad plays the DM and Baradji and Cantwell play the box to box roles. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

All comes down to standards.

more bollocks about standards. 

The 6th best defensive record in the league before yesterday game, how that for standard argument you make? We need another forward signing for sure, that would add as would some creatively in midfield as well would help this team

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

Do you recall a time, under Venkys, where the January window has produced the outcome you describe above?

Yes. Gestede, Conway, Cairney signing here permanently under Bowyer's first season. 

Also the season, we got promotion from league 1 under Mowbray

 

[Mattyblue]

If you think two cloggers like Miller and McLoughlin are good players then yes, it’s a question of standards.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah, we will be reyt. Just need a couple of signings as the cherry on top of the cake that is our otherwise functioning team. "Top spy" Gestede will sort it.

Injuries have cost us this season to key players. 

I think 3 or 4 signings is what we need and stay up, then re-asses everything in the summer. the summer window is a much better one is get rid of players we don't want then this window. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

If you think two cloggers like Miller and McLoughlin are good players then yes, it’s a question of standards.

before yesterday game we have the 6th best defensive record in the league would suggest they are better than you say they are

[RTM08]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How is playing at 3 back negative? 

and we don't play with 2 DM's. Tronstad plays the DM and Baradji and Cantwell play the box to box roles. 

Well we don't create anything at and we sit back passing it around our own half all the time. No point playing wing backs if they're always in a defensive position.

On the CDM's, if we're not someone needs to tell Baradji and Cantwell because they're always positioned 6 feet from the back 3. In fact you could argue we play 3 CDM's on how little time they spend out ofnour half.

[Mattyblue]

I think they are journeymen cloggers as I still have expectations that first choice players for Blackburn Rovers should be better than the likes of them, others obviously don’t, but I suppose that’s what watching fifteen years of rubbish does

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I think they are journeymen cloggers as I still have expectations that first choice players for Blackburn Rovers should be better than the likes of them, others obviously don’t, but I suppose that’s what watching fifteen years of rubbish does

Being in denial would have the same effect.

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, RTM08 said:

Well we don't create anything at and we sit back passing it around our own half all the time. No point playing wing backs if they're always in a defensive position.

On the CDM's, if we're not someone needs to tell Baradji and Cantwell because they're always positioned 6 feet from the back 3. In fact you could argue we play 3 CDM's on how little time they spend out ofnour half.

Like I said yesterday, we didn't performed well enough and created enough. Yesterday was a bad day all around. 

the Boro and Millwall was much better all around performances. 

Baradji and Cantwell were dropped too deep yesterday and they need to higher up. When Baradji got forward and in the final third, he almost scored. Cantwell was way too deep yesterday. 

[roversfan99]

30 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Injuries have cost us this season to key players. 

I think 3 or 4 signings is what we need and stay up, then re-asses everything in the summer. the summer window is a much better one is get rid of players we don't want then this window. 

 

Ive posted in the Wrexham thread about how its easy to blame injuries but if you look a bit deeper, that excuse doesnt hold as much weight.

Its absolutely mental how an "overhaul" in a summer that you repeatedly defend the success of, can then lead to the point where we will happily take just about staying up (with the help of 3 or 4 more signings you seem to trust the club in getting in of sufficient quality) having finished 7th last season, before totally reassessing.

 

[roversfan99]

39 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes. Gestede, Conway, Cairney signing here permanently under Bowyer's first season. 

Also the season, we got promotion from league 1 under Mowbray

 

So the last time was 8 seasons ago in League 1. And you are going round shooting people down who doubt whether it will happen this time?

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Ive posted in the Wrexham thread about how its easy to blame injuries but if you look a bit deeper, that excuse doesnt hold as much weight.

Its absolutely mental how an "overhaul" in a summer that you repeatedly defend the success of, can then lead to the point where we will happily take just about staying up (with the help of 3 or 4 more signings you seem to trust the club in getting in of sufficient quality) having finished 7th last season, before totally reassessing.

Some signings work and some don't as you even said recently, now you change your tune now. 

We have injuries to our key players like Wharton, Morishita, Cantwell, Gudjohnsen cost us. Alebiosu going to AFCON has cost us. 

Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson hasn't worked out for us. 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Some signings work and some don't as you even said recently, now you change your tune now. 

We have injuries to our key players like Wharton, Morishita, Cantwell, Gudjohnsen cost us. Alebiosu going to AFCON has cost us. 

Tavares, De Neve and Henriksson hasn't worked out for us. 

See post below, better to develop your own opinions rather than just use the injury excuse.

I have never changed my tune on my opinion that the squad we have is not fit for purpose. 

If you want to be flippant and say some good some bad and not look beyond that, or take discussions off on random tangents to justify things, thats up to you.

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Sometimes its worth looking into the "injury crisis."

Wrexham yesterday had no Keiffer Moore, Josh Windass, Ryan Hardie, Danny Ward, James McLean, Lewis Brunt and 1 or 2 others. Also like us had a key wing back at AFCON. Sheffield Wednesday had more injuries than us.

We had 2 summer signings yesterday who couldnt get any minutes despite the "injury crisis." We had another summer signing stinking the place out up front. We had another senior player signed by Gestede who has been dreadful and whilst being available, wasnt seen as worth including.

And you look at those who are out, how many are out if you ignore those who are of little no use or those whose injuries were predictable? Wharton and Carter, we cant whinge about those as their injuries could be seen a mile off. Kargbo, Forshaw, Montgomery, Tavares, do we miss any of them?

The main issue is not injuries. The squad we have "built" was never going to have the quality or depth needed and so it has been proven. You can either buy the narrative of hard luck or challenge it.

But at least we are supposedly "prepared" coming into this window. Hopefully a rejected bid can score the winner against Charlton.