Not arguing here, this is a genuine question that I'd love to hear your opinion on: What on earth have you seen from either side that makes you think that?

I honestly hate Sweet Caroline.

The Swiss will batter this lot unless they step up significantly.

That's at least 2 certain goals Walker has stopped this game.

We're one up - Got to slam that handbrake on

If we concede now those subs are going to look very suspect.

Not sure I can agree with that. He's created nothing, his set pieces have been abysmal and his inclusion on the left forces that side to be far too narrow. I think he was as bad as the other two in the last two games because they've all been bad.

Toney's honestly moved more in 5 minutes than Kane has in 4 games. Funny how that makes a difference, Kane obviously is an elite finisher but he's clearly injured.

Maybe Toney should have been playing for longer

Even if they scrape through, the Swiss will put 3 or 4 past this team I'd wager.

Before extra time preferably.

Southgate needs to be gone before he even leaves the pitch. This might actually be a worse performance than the Iceland one.

Mainoo off? Of all the people on that pitch, Mainoo? He hasn't a clue.

Apart from 3 mins at the end of the first half there has been zero desire or urgency and yet another game where we just don't do anything of note. It feels like I could count our tournament shots on target on one hand. And yet still no changes to shape or personnel. His last managerial post and he knows it.

Throwing Saka at full back because he didn't bring a left back with him. Genius.

What on earth was going on there?

Really? We haven't tested the keeper once to my memory

Fourth game in a row where we've made literally zero effort to create chances. I can't begin to think what the actual tactics are.

Swapping that one position is literally the only thing he knows how to do. And honestly, Mainoo has been fine, I'd prefer Wharton but Mainoo at least wants to move forwards, it's just he has a bunch of statues further up the pitch. Foden would be the first one off for me, we could have a national league left winger there and they'd offer more.

Zero urgency, zero effort and yet again another performance as insipid as their manager. Slovakia look like they'll score every time they come forward, I can't see where England will even get a shot on target.

This ref has lost this Czech-Turkiye game completely. Set a precedent of booking every time someone goes down and is now paying the price as everyone starts playacting.

Tbf we were, but that's more of a statement on how dhambolic they've been rather than any particularly good performances

To be fair to Mainoo, he's been leagues ahead of Gallagher and Trent so far.

Mainoo on. Wharton's never going to play is he?

There must be something up with him, he's been moving gingerly all tournament.