Perhaps, but they have still looked like scoring almost every time they come forwards, so we've got to be careful and make the most of the possession we're getting.

Tbf neither have we against most of the teams we've faced and not lost yet. Much better tonight so far.

Some of the stuff this club pulls would sound like complete fiction if you hadn't seen it happen with your own eyes.

Foden on that right side and suddenly he looks much, much better.

Dutch absolutely there for the taking here, just got to keep this pressure on and hold our concentration.

I get why it was given, but honestly that's a crazy decision considering how natural that movement is. We take what we can get I suppose.

Great goal. England slow and ponderous, the Dutch lightning every time they move forwards. Hope that wakes them up.

It isn't risk aversion that has meant that all the "good" sides on paper have been on the opposite side of the draw whether we come 1st or 2nd in our groups. It's absolutely been luck.

This is the kind of attitude that followed the "Golden Generation" of the 2000's. Individual brilliance does not a good team make, and so far this new lot are showing it. Do they have the potential to be better? Sure. But Spain have been consistently good so far this tournament and we've been consistently poor, so they would be clear favourites to win. France I agree would perhaps be a more even game as I think they've been poor up until now, especially considering they have a relatively strong squad.

Anything more than a 1 year pay as you play would be incredibly stupid with our limited funds, so of course we will probably offer ridiculous terms.

That makes a much sense as any other argument I can think of, completely absurd situation though. At some point, someone will have to step in or there won't be a club left to salvage.

I can't imagine the EFL doing anything considering the number of clubs before us who have had in some cases even worse owners than we have.

That Yamal goal completely flipped the momentum of this game. Spain barely looked in it up to that point.

What an absurd goal for a 16 year old. Shades of that Rooney goal in terms of properly announcing himself on the world stage.

I honestly can't see a scenario where the Venky's can stay as owners at this point? If they can't put into the club, there is literally no difference between the club being owned by them or being fan owned! It makes absolutely no sense why they refuse to sell at this point. There is zero chance of them getting any of their money back without significant investment, so why don't they just cut their losses? This has all the hallmarks of a toxic season. If we don't invest we'll be fighting for 23rd and if we sell Sammie we'll be fighting Rotherham's record points total. What they have done to this club is criminal.

Well that was unexpected.

Honestly that's a bit of a blow. Not that it was a strong contest, but a fit Leonard could have been our second highest scorer last season imo, and I'd hoped he'd be back to kick on. Let's hope Tygon is the real deal because let's be honest, I highly doubt we're going to invest in anyone decent.

We create absolutely nothing and Turkey attack better than any team we've faced. I've seen nothing to say we could beat anyone comfortably. But I agree, the Dutch are a level above what we've seen.

Honestly, considering how insipid England are going forwards I can see them seriously struggling against either of these teams.

Could potentially alternate the takers to reduce the advantage and swing the pressure a bit to even it out. I know it was trialled in some places but I'm unsure what the conclusions were. For the pens themselves - keepers have to stay on the lines as they do now, outfielders have to run in one motion and just kick the ball. Seems the fairest way to me. No funny business, just a one on one. Outfielder should score more often than not anyway.

Mainoo and Saka were the only ones trying to move anything against Slovakia and Switzerland for long spells. Not really his fault the front three (particularly Foden and Kane) have ghosted 90% of the tournament.

I agree that there are some elements of skill, but for me there need to be a couple of major changes: 1) Huge element of luck with who goes first - maybe finding a way of balancing the order so that the team that goes first doesn't have a complete advantage as they more often than not win 2) There is a massive attacker advantage. Keeper has to be rooted to the spot whilst the attackers can do any number of things in the run up. Just make it simple - run up and kick it.

Possibly, but only because they like to counter with pace but we'll sit 11 men in front of them so they can't do that, but also can't attack.

On the flip side, the only one he didn't make was the only one he met a major nation before that stage. He's had unbelievable luck with how the seedings have dropped in all his tournaments

France have been as anti-football as we have