Duncan's post absolutely nails it

Yes I'd agree but I would also argue the clubs done very little to get fans back in, why can't they get the STs out in April. Really hammer the marketing the club did a good thing with the nxt gen but were let down by a complete dross performance I'd be surprised if any of them came back. Venkys could do worse than expanding the marketing department and really look at doing something different

you don't get it do you, for some they pay £25 quid for a ticket they might want a beer and food its then a £40 quid plus day out. When you've grown up and have bills and responsibilities you might take a different view. Again you pick and choose which bits to disagree with lads I know don't go for a variety of reasons that can seem small but it adds up.

But that last sentence is part of the problem, generalising the cost of living has gone wages haven't. If the club really wanted to do something to test the water Bradford City have a scheme where you can buy a seat for £70 then its £10 a game £6 for juniors per game you purchase after that. Or try ticket valid for say 7 games that you can choose that's £15 quid a game reduced to £10 if you bring a child with you. It does link back to the product at Ewood if you have a limited budget. Take the kids to Blackpool or to the football its not a hard choice. Its not clear you mean fans nearby also how do you define near by, I don't live in East Lancs anymore, it takes me 35/40 mins to get to Ewood from where I live now which to me I'd say is fairly close. There are a large number of fans who've moved away from Blackburn and the surrounding areas.

Goodness me what a post, yes there's lots of things you should be unhappy about but ignore them as that's being a true *Blackburn fan* out of interest how old are you?. What's laughable is people on here put there thoughts up as to what they don't like. Yet you seem happy with things as they are priorities change I've got two kids and after my mortgage payment and the car payments have gone out that's over £1500 quid month. That's before you think of nursery for kids its £50 a day where I live now, council tax has gone up so have gas and electric, real life things that are needed and wages on the whole haven't. Now I'm lucky I've got season tickets for me and my daughter. Now if I was unable to commit to a ST and I wanted to pick and choose the Waggot tax would put me off especially if I wanted to take my kids. The club could do a lot more but it does the very minimum no imaginative pricing the ground looks tired everything about the club smacks of mediocrity. But hey kids its always the fans at fault............

they haven't contacted me and this is my ST since 15/16

actually I did follow it up : my email is below Hi Lynsey I hope you have had a nice summer, with the club putting the ticket details out yesterday. I did wonder if there had been any thoughts or progress from the club ( or if it’s an idea that would work ) around block ticket buying or flexible weekend only season tickets?. Bradford City have a scheme where you can buy a seat for £70 then its £10 a game £6 for juniors per game you purchase after that. If not we’ll have to get season tickets it’s just a waste as we cannot use the midweek tickets. When we met idea’s like crèche/improving strikers were mentioned is this still something that the club is still potentially pursuing . I was advised it was forwarded to the head of commercial to respond, they never did

Problem with that Chaddy is I emailed Lynsey and Steve last and had a meeting in May, I suggested looking at flexible season tickets or 10 game tickets for £100 quid, I suggested they looked at a number of clubs that offer creative ticketing options. I suggested they updated strikers lounge to try and encourage parents with young kids like me to attend. What have they done? nowt.

I get the impression Mowbray is feeling the heat, you don't have to know about football to see 12 million on two strikers that aren't scoring goals isn't great. The next three games will say a lot about where we will end up this season, we should be taking a minimum of 7 points. The malaise has already set in, the atmosphere is poor but what does anyone expect when a team creates nothing, there is nothing to get behind. For all Mowbrays big talk about a new style we look worse than last season. The only new style I can see is we now don't create anything and we've nullified our two creative players.

Megadeth - Devils island

I would love to see us with the FA cup it still holds a big pull for me. As for club vs country club all day long. If Rovers are garbage it bothers me if its England its gone within 10 minutes. That said its the flip side for cricket England's poor performances bother me the same as Rovers. Play off win Any cup win Rovers being back in the PL beating Burnley again I'd take them all over a world cup win, the idiotic behaviour of some England fans abroad in France 98 started to put me off as we all get tarred with that brush. That behaviour hasn't changed the need to try and take over and colonise areas when they play its not for me.

Lots of huff and puff no quality poor atmosphere 1 nil win Graham. Mowbray to continue wasting Gallagher wide we'll all have neck ache watching the ball being smashed skyward

For me speaking purely from a BRFC perspective, super fans on facebook/twitter whose default position and opinion changes as to how badly the club is performing so they are never disappointed then they turn on other supporters, what do we expect with our budget etc, Mowbray we are lucky to have him. Tony can do no wrong etc, the inability to criticises the team or manager/the owners. The expectation we should have 30000 smashing the turnstiles down to watch Mowbrayball. Comment after a losing that our defending is awful and the torrent of abuse then follows from the rovers brigade!. The complete and utter acceptance of mediocrity and the apathy that surrounds the club

The concept is interesting, whilst I can see why you would a focus more on the current. Everything about our club smacks of managed decline and apathy, all roads lead back to venkys. Will rovers get promoted no chance, will the owners take a pro active interest and look at how the club could go up no they won't. So no matter how you square a documentary off it still goes back to the owners, div 3 second place and a feel good factor, speaking personally I didn't have one I was utterly crest fallen and embarrassed we had fallen so far. I took no joy in that season at all, a stadium over half empty. Really bland initiatives from the club falling season ticket sales, its complete and utter stagnation that comes back to the owners. They are billionaires with a very successful franchise, yet we don't see any traits of that in how rovers are run. No imaginative ideas to grab fans back or target lapsed supporters. Everything is reactionary nothing is proactive that falls back to the owners.

the efl have basically told bury as they aren't members now they don't have to answer the questions this whole mess stinks

Don't think she got married in-between letters mind

open letters from Forever Bury sent to Jevans today Earlier this morning the Forever Bury board submitted the following two letters directly to Debbie Jevons. Dear Miss Jevans We write in response to the EFL’s decision to expel Bury FC from the football league in reliance on Article 4.7.5. It is our position that the application of Article 4.7.5 in this manner is misguided and contrary to the purpose of 4.7.5 which is a protective provision designed to ensure the preservation of a member club by facilitating the transfer of a club’s share as has just occurred in the case of Bolton Wanderers. It is not, and never has been, envisaged as a sword to expel a club from league membership and the EFL’s utilisation of the provision in this manner is both ill-founded and inequitable. This provision has formed part of the EFL’s articles for over 20 years (being present in all restatements of the EFL’s Memorandum and Articles since those filed on 27 July 1998) and has never in that time been utilised as a mechanism with which to expel a club from league membership. This is despite over 61 ‘Insolvency Events’ occurring in the seasons 1998 to 2008 and 13 of those clubs involved experiencing more than one insolvency event in that period (figures taken from an article published in the International Journal of Sports Marketing & Sponsorship in April 2010). Whilst we don’t have the full figures to hand for Insolvency Events over the last ten years, we are aware a further 18 clubs have entered administration in that timeframe, none of which have been expelled from the league by the EFL. Articles 4.5 and 4.6 on their construction expressly refer to the ‘transfer’ of the membership share which is in contrast to the penal league Regulations which expressly provide for the ‘expulsion’ of a member club such as Regulations 8.2 and 92.2.9. These disciplinary Regulations recognise that where such a serious and fundamental step such as expulsion is recommended by the Board, that it must be ratified by the member clubs at general meeting given the catastrophic consequences that expulsion of a member club has for clubs, players, fans and communities. It is beyond dispute that the fans and minority shareholders of Bury FC which we represent are sufficiently affected by the outcome of the EFL’s rash decision to expel the club and on this basis we have the requisite standing to request that as a minimum the EFL immediately reinstate Bury’s membership pending ratification of the Board’s recommendation for expulsion at a properly constituted general meeting of the members of the EFL. The EFL’S misguided handling of this matter has directly prejudiced the interests all Bury FC stakeholders including its creditors, shareholders, players and employees and we reserve all our rights to hold the EFL accountable in this respect. It is however our hope that this matter can be resolved quickly and without the need for formal legal action to challenge the validity of the EFL’s decision on the grounds that expelling Bury in the manner employed was ultra vires and resulted in procedural unfairness. To this end we should be grateful if you would revert with your decision by no later than 5pm today (30 August 2019). Additionally, the following email was sent later this morning. Dear Mrs Jevans, Further to our earlier letter we also wish to raise the following issues in relation to the EFLs failure to follow procedures and act in accordance with natural justice. 1 How do you justify your failure to inform the staff and owner of the club in advance of a public announcement of Bury FCs expulsion from the League? 2 When the Board made its decision to expel our club,members were not even in the same room together. The final decision was made as a result of some Board members sending in Emails and text messages. How can this be regarded as a professional or legally acceptable way of making such a profoundly important decision?

To me Burys expulsion and the lack or consideration of a viable bid, shows it got personal between Jevans and Dale, they wanted Bury out and in the last 48 hours have done nothing to help the lack club Burys statement last night all but confirmed this. The EFL didn't care Day and Dale did what they did under the EFL's watch they wanted Bury gone. No thought for the town or community, I hope James Frith (local MP) whose has been manfully fighting the cause follows through with his threat of parliamentary and legal action. The last paragraph of Jevans letter to the club yesterday with dripping with contempt ( its on Alan Nixons twitter ). It also shows if you need the EFL they will not be there and stand up for your club its an absolute travesty and an utter disgrace. One last thing I am not sure Dale ever wanted to sell as he rejected various offers for the club and left it far to late to complete any deal. Factor that in with some of the dubious deals with the CVA then its a complete mess David Conn has done some excellent writing on this recently. Bury will not be the first and there is apparently trouble at Oldham as well

He's actually a Huddersfield fan, he is the one responsible for this Dale was just brought in to close it down with money trails

Bury will have to reform, I don't think Dale ever intended to sell tbh. I am glad Bury council have confirmed there is a covenant on the land so it can only be used for a football stadium. The mess at Bury stinks to high heaven, hopefully those that allowed this to happen will face some sort of legal repercussions. This will hit the town hard and a full investigation should follow

That's the problem with the football club as a whole, lack of vision imagination and a will do something outside of the box, this is what happens when a CEO comes in whose mates with the manager. Rather than someone deemed best for the job.

I think this is spot on, I boycotted during the Kean reign and soon occupied myself on Saturdays with things non rovers related. Came back when he left, Coyle's appointment then pushed me over the edge. Its only this season I've renewed as I take my daughter to the games now. I wonder how many others simply just got sick of everything at the club and just walked away. The club could do more to attract fans back everything they try is all a bit safe and beige. There is a real lack of dynamism in the senior management to do anything outside of the box fan initiative wise. Jacks zone is a prime example its a good idea until its pouring down, the beer pricing is another. Strikers lounge for people like me with kids needs freshening up a more healthy kids menu better toys etc but they won't do it ( I know as I asked the club ). They seem to have given up on getting fans back so will rinse the ones that come. The ground is starting to look shabby and run down, the whole club has that air about it.

Agreed and I do feel fans are starting to turn against TM another poor performance and loss that will only grow ( apart from the FB its everyone else fault but not TM )

We will know Saturday if its another really lacklustre performance then i'd suggest he's lost the majority, conversely if there is a reaction then chaddy is right

His demeanour has changed (TM) it changed post pune tbh waggott and Mowbray started to downplay expectations having previously raised them. I suspect the owners want nothing to with a relegation battle this season and might pot Mowbray before we become seriously embroiled in one. I don't think it will be this weekend if we lose, but if performances carry on as they are I think he'll be toast by November. Unless they've already got someone in mine and lined up which I doubt.