Hasta

They probably need Woodrow to score so they can justify offering him a contract for next season and get his agent his 15%

Should be. Only one match ban for two yellows.

A win today puts us one step closer to being Dead Rubber Champions 24/25. COYB

Hope you’ve snapped up the 300/1 for us to finish top 6.

Stanley’s win today takes a bit of pressure off and keeps a decent gap. Otherwise it would have been a 6 pointer! Tranmere now shitting it,

The main point being everyone said before we got a new manager when we were 5th that we needed someone to motivate the existing group and not change it too much. But he changed it within 115 minutes for the next two games (and defeats). That (and dropping Tronstadt in some games and Gueye for Woodrow) just stick in the mind. I can’t recall other details. But presuming his job was to try and keep us in the top 6, he couldn’t have failed any more. Now the pressure is off it feels like pointless irrelevance.

Stoke started a back 3. In his 2nd and 3rd game in charge he switched to an unfamiliar shape. Ludicrous having take over a team in 5th. Although to be fair to all managers, we needed competent cover for the New Year injuries and we got Forshaw, Woodrow and an unfit Dennis.

But he talked about previous performances, not just the Swansea game. You could extend it if you want from 5 games, but it’s absolute nonsense to suggest that there were no good performances or results before Ismael came in. However when people eliminate the Lowe’s wins and only focus on the Eustace results to prove form had gone then that is clearly deflection And even in Eustace worst run of the season, he played tougher fixtures and generated better performances. Plus he wanted out and the players probably knew it. ,

Which was a bit daft considering what you replied to with your first sentences. But even under Eustace the Sunderland, Burnley and Leeds performances (without the key Trav / Tronstadt axis) were still decent. His penultimate game against Preston was also good for 80 minutes. It’s not like we were completely shocking. Lowe proved the spirit and mentality was still there with his 2 wins. A meagre 1 point per game return from the new manager would have still kept us in with a sniff, but we couldn’t manage that.

We’ve looked particularly poor in one off odd games for long, long time under every manager under Venkys.

I’m not sure. The Leeds, Burnleynand Sunderland performances during that spell were better than most of the stuff since VI came in. Also the Travis / Tronstadt axis, which was so key to us early season, was completely lost during that spell for injuries. That was a huge blow. Ismael has had that back although strangely has benches ST for a couple of games.

@arbitro said that confidence was absolutely waning proved by poor performances and results when Ismael took over. I mentioned 3 from 5 which was the immediate games when Ismael took over. Surely that shows an upsurge in confidence. Then for some reason you mentioned 2 from 11. You’ve not gone further than 5. You’ve just ignored the Lowe games. And even within the Eustace spell, where we were short on wins, he played Leeds, Burnley and Sunderland. None of which were poor performances.

Tronstadt is excellent for this division. I’ve never seen anyone other than Rev say otherwise.

Who mentioned Eustace? He said poor results and performances before Ismael arrived. Not true. 3 wins from 5.

3 wins from 5 before he came in. West Brom was one of the best performances of the season.

It’s like in Raider of the Lost Ark when the Ark burns off the swastika on the crate.

You’ve failed Val. From where you took us over to where we finish you have failed.

Great performance although I now feel more pissed off that the incompetence of the board room and the owners cost us a play off spot.

As plenty of teams play each other (e.g Derby play Stoke and hull), it would take a freak set of results for them all to catch Preston. It would mean they would all need to start beating top half sides.

For me at the moment I just don't feel like having the piss taken out of me any more. This could change over the long summer. It's not the pricing personally. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it. It's not even the bad decisions. It's the lack of transparency and the lies. It's the fact they think they can tell the customers whatever they want to cover up their ineptitude and we will just swallow it and pay the £400+. It's now simply the fact they genuinely don't make any effort to keep me as a customer, they just expect it. And for the first time in a while they can now get stuffed. I didn't renew after relegation in 2012. I said I would only return once Kean was gone. And on the 29th September 2012 I duly bought a season ticket. This time I don't know. Ismael and Waggot could leave tomorrow and they would just rearrange the deck chairs.

That's the club PR saying "Don't want Ismael out otherwise.... "

I like the optimism lads, but come on. It's gone. We are probably well over 50/1 to win all 4 games ourselves.

League table on arrival. 9 points from safety. League table now Beat Huddersfield at he weekend to climb out of the relegation zone. You have to say he's done a decent job there so far.

Mcllroy looked emotionally shot waiting for the start of the play off. Whereas Rose, having shot an exceptional final round, was looking cool and calm. You expected him to carry on in the same manner he had played the whole round. So full credit to Rory for not just holding his nerve but pulling out his first birdie of the week on the 18th to win it. Great sporting drama. As others have said, I'd have just enjoyed it more had he beat a yank in the play off and not Rose.

As PhillipL alludes to, the only "interest" around this game is that Millwall and their fans will be up for it as they have a realistic shot of 6th, especially if Coventry didn't win tonight. A dead rubber for us unfortunately.