Silas

Ooops, was just trying to lighten the mood. Can we park it for another time. In terms of transfers, nobody can call us spoilt or overreacting, entitled fans. This isn't just one window, it's pretty much 3 on the bounce with empty promises, false hope, and incompetent actions. And most importantly, a complete failure to even partially address the glaringly obvious deficiencies in the match day team. We've got every right to be thoroughly pissed off.

That surely can't be what's irking you most tonight.

Was he the one that broke B- Mac? That goal against Arsenal, beauty.

Seems like he's not!

Perhaps I was referring to the education system that installed such good morals. They not from Scotland, Connecticut? Oops, my bad. ?

Really?! If you can't beat em, join em. And we certainly can't beat em at the moment. I admire your principals, but the reality is they aren't gonna make 170 mill disappear, and they aren't gonna get us back playing in the Prem again.

News like that is just more frustrating. If that's the case why the hell don't they box a bit clever, and dodge something up to enable them to spend the money? Do a scam stadium sponsorship etc. Every other club seems to be doing it in the Championship. We're the only chumps sat on our hands. The only way for them to get some money, and respect, back is promotion. The only way to get promotion is to spend money. You say they have money, so surely find a way to spend it. I just don't get it. We're coasting to oblivion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hammers.news/club-news/exwhuemployee-provides-update-on-michail-antonio-that-west-ham-fans-will-love/amp/ He's literally the main man West Ham are hoping can save them from relegation. "The 29 year old is vitally important to the Hammers.......his return to the team gave West Ham an entirely different facet to their attacking play."

Mulgrew surely. We need his wages off the books. I don't blame him for hanging onto a contact we gave him, but at 33, if he wants to play a bit more football in his career, he needs a fresh start somewhere new.

Legacy was maybe a bit strong. But almost 2 decades as a manager, years served at top level in the Prem, managed one of biggest clubs in UK at Celtic. Not to be sniffed at. Maybe, but what we're doing with him at the moment is a load of "butts"!

And therein lies the problem. I feel like these older school managers like Mowbray, and at top level Mourinho for example, really care what people think of them. They have a legacy to protect, a longstanding career to keep as clean as possible. Whilst the newer managers on the block at top level - Chris Wilder, Nuno Santo, even Dean Smith- I sense they don't give a toss what people think. They're hungry, and willing to sacrifice anything for progress. Even their own reputation, so they take risks. Let's not forget Wilder could be the laughing stock of football if his overlapping centre back thing had backfired. If TM loaned BB out, BB smashed it, got his confidence, and came back beginning next season and hit the ground running, TM would be hailed a genius. But it would take balls, and more importantly, an abandoning of his pride and stubbornness, to make the decision. I just don't think he has it in him.

10 whole years FFS. Champions League, Ronaldinho, Beckham. Talk about smashing your targets. ? Sad thing is I'm not even taking the piss. Genuinely remember watching the live league table and loving it, and then watching the other teams jump above one by one. Which begs the question, who's the biggest clown in all this, them or me. ?

What a few hours that was though right?! My beer tasted sweeter, the air was fresher, the sun was shining, I had a skip in my step. I remember all the hopes and dreams I had during that time. Oh to return to those halcyon days.....

"Mulgrew was definite 1st choice centre back, playing well and responsible for our only attacking threat with his set piece delivery before he got injured. Not sure how he suddenly transforms into a fringe player who was shit just because he left." Not according to them. But who knows, football fans have form for chatting shit. ?

"How many assists did he provide? I must admit I was a bit disappointed with his output from set pieces considering his record apart from that one that hit the post can’t remember him being particularly deadly." From same thread.

"Since Mulgrew signed stats for league games from transfermarkt.com:With Mulgrew in team12 gamesClean sheets 4Goals conceeded 15Wins: 3Draws: 3Loses: 6Win ratio: 25%Clean sheet ratio: 33%Conceed ratio: 1.25Without Mulgrew14 gamesClean sheets: 1Goals conceeded: 24Wins: 1Draws: 4Loses: 9Win ratio: 7%Clean sheet ratio: 7%Conceed ratio: 1.71So no loss in Mulgrew then as we only won more games, conceeded less and kept more clean sheets with him in the team..." From a Wigan messageboard. They're arguing over how big a loss he is to them. Didn't we have similar stats on here that showed the exact opposite for us?!

As of today we are the only team in the Championship with 0 goal difference: 27 played, 35 goals scored and conceded, 37 pts on the board, 5 pts off the playoffs. We really are the steady Eddie's of the league. Those sort of stats rang a bell so I had a look back. Pretty much exactly 6 years ago, 19th Jan 2014 (only 2 teams in league with 0 goal difference): 26 played, 32 goals scored and conceded, 37 pts on the board, 4 pts off the playoffs. The following year, 2nd Feb 2015 (the only team in league with 0 goal difference): 28 played, 38 scored and conceded, 39 pts on the board, 8 pts off playoffs. The next year, 18th Jan 2016 (3 teams with 0 goal difference): 26 played, 23 scored and conceded, 29 pts, miles off playoffs. Sidenote- we finished this season as one of two teams with 0 goal difference, 46 scored and conceded. Summary: Our time in the Championship the last decade, (barring our relegation season), we certainly have been consistant. Consistantly mediocre and mid table. We score goals, we concede goals, pretty much in perfect unison. But just a tweak at either end of the pitch could be the difference that pushes up towards the top 6. Over half a decade later, countless personnel and a few manager changes, I just don't see any signs of that progression being made. Yes, it's good to be stable and clear of the bottom of the table, but at some point the next step needs to be made to push us towards the top end. It's the only way to save the club. At the moment, I just get that groundhog day feeling.

This post finishes off a thread page that has 6 posts from you pretty much reiterating "one opinion". I'm confused. Is that the opinion you want us to stop allowing?

He named about 11 of them in one post recently in the TM thread. https://www.brfcs.com/mb/index.php?/forums/topic/34120-tony-mowbray-discussion/&page=162 And explained a fair bit on each one's credentials. He's probably getting bored of repeating it for the hard of hearing.

That's the second time in 24hrs you have associated a man crying with both mental health and suicide. You appear to believe your views are progressive and modern, but I would suggest they are archaic and dated. If a man cries, it shouldn't mean there's something "wrong" with him. If a woman cries does that mean there's something wrong with her? Are we still living in the 1950's? Whilst you're lecturing everyone else on what's appropriate or not, might I suggest you maybe examine your own viewpoints when measured up against modern standards. In fact, mental health charity Mind did a whole campaign on this back in 2015: https://www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/news/mind-says-it-s-ok-to-cry/ Trying to eradicate the stigma of adults crying, as it is seen as a good release for anxiety issues. Someone like yourself jumping from tears to suicide in a heartbeat is probably the exact issue they were trying to overcome. Particularly among the Male population. So to Big Ben I say - let the tears flow bro, dust off, pick yourself up, and come back fighting harder than ever. That's all any of us can do.

Hang on a second, I read their boards when it happened, and not only were a lot of their fans bemoaning him leaving the club, but they were complaining the price was too cheap aswell. They rated him pretty highly as a player. One for the future. So, have we ruined him? Or was he one of those that showed early flashes of promise but they were a false dawn?

TRANSFER THREAD PEOPLE!!! If you want to continue the discussion start a "Mental Health in Football" Thread.

Folks, despite it being mental health awareness day on the pitch, this is actually the transfer window thread. Please keep it on topic. Thanks.

Well, 5 months and over half the season later Harry, where do you stand in regards to these comments? I'd say we're definately going backwards and as for progression to top 6 - well, we're miles off competing. So are you going to be true to your word and hop over to the dark side? C'mon, it's warm and cosy over here. ?

That's the issue for me, we need a long term plan, not a short term fix. Like with Moyes at WH now. Cracking start for him today, and he'll do all right and steer them to safe waters. But I don't think he's the future for the club. They need another option. It's nothing personal against the manager, he has pedigree, and a fairly impressive CV. Just don't reckon he has what it takes to push them to top 8. I see TM as similar. A safe pair of hands and will keep things steady, but can he mount a promotion push? I don't believe so.