Mate, it's a wind up.There's hypocrisy all over the place, as you repeatedly state. Its utterly implausible that he doesn't know that's what he has been doing. Even the club being such a mess it impacts every manager, was a point I made about Rovers (and references Everton as another example) the other day, which wasn't recognised whatsoever. The goal posts shift constantly to piss people off. No other explanation for such inconsistencies. Back on topic - Everton are goosed with or without Lampard.

It's clearly a wind up mate. An outrageous statement at odds with history blended with condescension and disparagement of others views. It's a good effort mind.

The evidence points to it being more than tin foil hat theories. Indeed, as you say if they weren't bothered (about something) they would have got rid of the club. The only thing that makes sense is they want to avoid scrutiny that would come with a sale, liquidation or even the premier League spotlight (though it did bugger all for us before) and see us plod along at this level. Anything else doesn't make sense. Unbothered they would have sold, bothered they'd have done something else by now. Even error rather than design would have seen the latter. So I don't think it's a conspiracy whatsoever.

I think @Mashed Potatoesis saying this is Maggots brief. This is what gets me. No one with and nous should or would do this, which is why its unfathomable he has done all of those things. No one could be that idiotic unless instructed to do so. And if instructed to do so he's still an utter low life for agreeing to do said stuff.

For me it comes down to I'd expect better from a business studies undergraduate student. He's stealing a living.

There's a couple I'd have given more.of a chance. Big Sam being foremost amongst them. However Lampard with his past record wouldn't be one of them. He's not what they need at all. If it was someone who had proven pedigree and fitted I'd give them longer but Lampard hasn't got the oedegree, results or fit to warrant this imo.

Indeed. By we I primarily mean the fans. Also when was the last time a season wasn't written off by the powers that be?

In isolation a point with 10 men is a good result. Look at the thinness of the squad and it confirms that opinion. Problem is this is our run of winnable games to cement our playoff place. So far it's 1 out of 6. In that regard it's not going well at all. And whilst it's so important we get the right people in, especially with limited budget, once again we see how there was a need for deals to be done quickly. A new signing or two might have made all the difference in the last couple of games. Whilst getting it right takes priority, which may take time, I have a feeling we may end up regretting our January inertia.

Good idea not to feed the troll. Never will get those qualities, as engagement and discussion isn't the aim here. Also in fairness Vale doesn't have any. The most constructive argument we've had on here for Vale is our other strikers are just as crap which is hardly a ringing endorsement.. ( imo may be true the last couple of performances but on a wider level isn't true as Bereton and Gally have shown something at this level before.)

Lampard surely is done. Mind you that was obvious to everyone. Struggled when he could get bring in better quality at Derby (and when could spend at Chelsea too) and hasn't improved a single teams position that he has had. And given Everton are broke he can't even bring in said qualify to bit make a difference. He and Everton are goosed.

I could be wrong but based on lack of engagement with people's points i think said sage is meant as a parody persona / wum rather than something to be taken seriously. Besides McCarthy had a good career before then and whilst his stint at Cardiff in the second season was poor, they've got through 2 managers since then which suggests bigger issues at the club or a poisoned chalice.

I cannot think of another manager at any other club who was afforded such admiration for so little. Ignoring repeated shocking runs that would have him booted elsewhere, the snide comments slagging off fans, the idiotic positioning of players at times and the scapegoating of youth all should have turned fans against him. Yet in the main - here excepted - it doesn't. Never heard of another club with so bullet proof a manager.

That is crazy! Mind you given good managers are often poached and it's best to get rid of a mistake appointment quickly perhaps it's not quite as crazy as it seems. Still pretty cutthroat though and makes you wonder how TM survived umpteen winless runs. Almost like we don't care what happens on the pitch.

Woosh! Well that went right over my head, doh.

And given the right back misses as many as he plays, its a stretch to say we are unlikely to see JRC at right back. Good point. Hopefully fatigue outweighs moral. Shame they are on a decent run, we generally need sides not to be of late.

We can start to feel superior,or goodness even on a par with Brentford, when we have a string of successes of brought and sold. Look at their striker cycle - how many sold for big profits with a successful replacement. We've not replaced Armstrong, may not get anything for Ben and have Gally and Vale lined up as replacements. Hard to feel smug about things.

Didn't Bristol play last night to extra time. That's got to give us the edge if we have a high intensity game. Cue us ponderously passing it round the back.

So much of this resonates with me. To me though it's simple, under Venkys it's the first time I've thought winning games wasn't the primary objective. We've had some pretty shoddy managers before who've massively struggled with that objective but I've never thought prior to Venkys that wasn't what we were aiming for. 12 years of that. No wonder fans have left or are losing their passion for the club.

Aside from the fact that seasoned pros help the youngsters develop, he's contradicted himself by signing Morton. Who really blocks the pathway of our midfield and offers no help or sell on value.

Problem is that at every level that there is a raft of inexperience in the team. Do it on the cheap is our motto. The two you mentioned are our senior pros in midfield. Not kids but hardly experienced seasoned pros. And of that in his development up until the last year (half way through TMs last season) Buckley has played in most positions on the pitch. Hardly going to help him master a position, nor will the lack of a seasoned vet in cm alongside them to help them learn. Then there's the squad fillers. Vale should be nowhere near the squad full stop, Garrett should be getting weekly games on loan, our lack of defenders is always covered by youth - and especially at cb we see how important experience is. Add to the illogicality we add Morton and develop him even though he's not ours nor streets ahead in quality to what we have, we let youth assets go on the cheap (Raya) or free (Lenihan). My word we can't even do cheap right! It was once said you can't win anything with kids, Alan Hansen on manure. Thing was there was still a ton of quality and experience around them. Sure they were talented but everything around then was set up to succeed. We throw the kids in with no support wharsoever.

The thumpings are a concern. The much bigger concern is we haven't got a point when going behind. Look regular thrashings shouldn't happen. But they will happen from time to time. It's inconceivable to not get a single point from going behind. That shows an incredible lack of character from the team and tactical awareness from the manager. I mean if it's game over every time we go behind, that's only going to see us leave the league one way eventually, and it's not promotion.

What channel is it on? Going to try finding a pub that will play 1 screen of that over the Manchester derby.

Now that is sad as I asked nicely and it might help you understand my point of view. Only the other post of yours I quoted shows you know exactly what impact and influence the owner and past have on today. In fact it's part of your defence of Lampard. Not sure it's possible to recognise it for one club but not the other. So well done for sucking me in. At least that answered my prior question of whether it was deliberate or not. Helpful to know for the future. Stumped if I know how that's entertainment or enjoyable for you..

Could you answer my analogy question please? The one about the Warehouse.

Thanks. I'm not sure if it's willfully missing my points or lack of understanding. I'd be very disappointed if it was the former, what would be the point on going on a mb in that case?