The way Coyle arrived, usurping a good manager in Neil Warnock, combined with the "SEM who?" lie will always grate. Obviously the team also performed poorly under him - but he was a shit manager with a below average team. It is what it is. When it was obvious things were not working out he was sacked - too late, as always, but at lightning speed by Venky standards. That's what separates the likes of Mowbray and Kean from all of our other managers - they've worked themselves into positions of absolute power where football results no longer seem to matter. Even Bowyer wasn't immune to that. That's why these comparisons between Kean and Mowbray are made. I don't think anybody will deny Kean was far worse (and anybody that does has forgotten how bad it was between 2011-2012, imo) but Mowbray has somehow gotten himself into the same bulletproof position. The Brockhall debacle just makes it even worse and propels him way ahead of Coyle on my list.

For me the Brockhall scandal will forever taint TM's time here. I can't believe he knew nothing about it. Not after they tried to pull the same stunt at Coventry. For me that's worse than anything Coyle did, although Kean still retains the worst manager spot by some distance.

Good news. Evans and Bennett next, please.

Tbf Accy are only 5 points and three places below Portsmouth, so it wasn't an easy game. Gutting to miss out on the last day after being beaten at home by a team with nothing to play for, though.

I'd say Bournemouth were the opposite, getting a top six place because of their squad as opposed to the manager(s). Not too dissimilar to Fulham last season.

Honestly this season ended up being much worse than I expected. I didn't think we'd get top six with the current manager in situ, but I expected we'd finish somewhere in the top half. 15th is an abject failure and should be grounds for the manager's dismissal considering how well Mowbray has been backed. That run of 2 wins out of 17 is something no other manager in the professional leagues would have survived, and showed how little our owners care about the club.

I'm sure there are plenty who would, that's the beauty of opinions!

Assuming Warne sticks around I'm sure they'll be back. They have getting promoted from League 1 down to a science at this point! Just need to have a serious review next time they get promoted to ensure the mistakes of the last three relegations are learned from. As for Mowbray, I just want him gone. I don't know if I can stomach another season of failure with him at the helm.

The threads should hopefully now be merged!

Damn, rumbled! I agree with you there, I actually think now that Wycombe have adapted a bit to the Championship they are better than Derby. Unfortunately their poor start doomed them. Thanks for the love, I'll try to overlook your affection for Rotherham but can't promise anything 🧐

The compacted fixture list at the end wasn't ideal for them, sure, but I still think it's more about their team just not being Championship standard - as it wasn't the last two times they came up and went straight back down (assume they had more normal run ins then but can't remember). They were in the relegation zone for most of January, February and March (granted 3/4 games behind everyone else, but still, even with 3/4 losses at that point in the season we wouldn't have been there) so I don't think it's the run in that is the primary cause of their relegation, unless you count the entire last half of the season as the run in. I am fairly comfortable with that opinion having browsed their forum for reaction, but I can assure you I have no vendetta against Rotherham and think they're in a good position to bounce back again along with Wycombe.

Well, I decided to check the Rotherham forums to see if they were of the same opinion, but most of them seem to be of the same opinion that they just haven't been good enough. "Our season summed up in that one game. Chances galore to get the job done and in the end we've paid a heavy price for missing them." "Poor finishing all season, League One quality players not being quite good enough." " Same old, same old.................. Why didn't we keep stopping the game with subs and not wait until it was too late...............if's and but's It's a sorry end, i've had enough of false dawns and silly promises, after watching since 1962, i've done now being a regular season ticket.....just pick and choose..........................................." "Basically what everyone else has said is spot on. Summed up our season, just not quite good enough. It can be a cruel game at times and today is a fine example. Given the respective budgets we can hold our heads high, to compete and fall just short is gutting but yeah." "Warny's lack of tactical knowledge let us down again I'm afraid to say 15 mins left we had to put fresh bodies on up top to give them something to think about but instead he let Cardiff push on ..... I do not understand what more warny has to do to show his followers on here just how poor he is tactically." "What is the point of rotherham ever being in the championship if we don't invest to try at least for top half of the table,having league 1 and 2 players hasn't worked before but yet that's what we always do. We lack the quality and it shows down to bad recruitment/management" I mean I could go on, but honestly I don't think my opinion is that offensive and seems in line with a lot of Millers fans. I certainly don't think it's enough to accuse me of having a vendetta, anyway.

They ultimately played the same 23 teams x2 as everybody else. Excuses about run-ins are just that, imo, masking the fact the team hasn't performed well over the course of a season. I'm sure they'll be back again for the 2022/23 season. Whether we'll still be in the Championship is another question.

I have more sympathy for them than the likes of Rotherham or Sheffield Wednesday. They improved as the season went on and started adapting to the division. If they manage to keep Ainsworth and their squad together there's no reason they can't bounce back at the first attempt.

Every time we're "in the mix" we fall away in spectacular fashion, so it really wouldn't make any difference.

Rotherham had it in their own hands and blew it. No sympathy for them. 3rd relegation in 5 seasons, something not quite right there. They finished below Wycombe ffs. Even the likes of Burton managed to stay up for one season, and Coventry managed it quite comfortably this year. Sheff Weds similarly threw it away. In the end Derby simply had more bottle than the teams around them. Some appalling teams down there though. Keep in mind we went down with 51 points in the 16/17 season. Four years on and we've managed a whole 6 extra points than a season where we were managed by Owen Coyle until February.

They ultimately finished below Wycombe on 42 points - a tally that would get you relegated almost any season. Just not a Championship calibre team.

Imagine having a striker who's scored 27 league goals and finishing 15th. Oh wait.

New manager and maybe we learn to play as a team rather than rely on one player to score most of our goals. TM still in charge and we'll probably go down.

Wednesday equaliser...

Even better!

Lad's a cheapo buy from the Dutch league. Performed above what I would have expected for his fee and where he came from, but if he was that good we would have had some competition for his signature at the price we purchased him for.

Akinfenwa and a returning Rudy gestede.

You've got nothing to apologise for mate, I think most of us have had those frustrated feelings of wanting us to get tanked just to show the current manager up. It's inevitable when a manager becomes bulletproof and has incredible arrogance on top of it. We haven't seen something like this since the dark days of Steve Kean, and it's amazing that Mowbray has brought people back to this point. A damning indictment on his tenure here. Hope things improve for you soon!

So we'll end the season on a run of 9 games without a clean sheet. 18th in the table as it stands.