If they want to bring somebody in then they had better do it sharpish. A lot easier to convince someone to invest when you're only one division apart from the PL, rather than two divisions apart - and if TM stays it's highly likely imo that this time next year we will be two divisions apart again.

2 wins from 17 is enough for me personally to be comfortable that motivation is not in high supply at Rovers, not to mention the multiple death spirals of the last few years. Listening to Mowbray's interviews he doesn't strike me as particularly inspirational, but maybe there are others who think otherwise. Also worth remembering he admitted not too long ago to letting the dressing room effectively sort itself out - easily forgotten amongst the various nonsense he has spouted recently but imo one of his most baffling and stupid historic quotes. One thing that can be agreed on regardless is that the manager is ultimately to blame. After four years the buck stops with him on everything.

I would say the whole team has become subdued at some level due to Mowbray's tactics/style, and his inability to motivate. It's very difficult to judge any of the players with the current manager at the helm, as he regularly rotates half of them for no reason, plays some out of position and seems to have no clue about defensive shape. For most of these players we'll only know how good they are when they leave - or when TM is replaced, although right now the latter seems like a distant dream, making the former sadly more likely.

With the way Mowbray supposedly wants us to play, our fullbacks need to be athletic if not super speedy, so being slow is a problem. Crossing is irrelevent due to Armstrong being our focal point and Brereton/Gallagher rarely being in the box to get on the end of anything. Defending ability would be nice but arguably pointless under a manager who has never in his entire career been able to set up a team to defend well.

Bell is terrible. Douglas has proven over his career he has much more talent than Bell, but I don't think our style of play suits him at all. He's too slow and one of his primary attributes, crossing, is wasted here with our tallest strikers out on the wings and Armstrong in the middle. Just another muddled signing from TM that makes no sense.

Considering this is a man who said Harrison Reed needed to learn how to play midfield from Evans and Smallwood, I can understand why people think Travis may have been Mowbrayed. Personally I don't think Travis is that much better or worse than when he debuted - maybe a bit more cautious but that tends to come with experience, and with less of a need to prove himself now that he's considered a regular. That probably isn't Mowbray's fault, but it is up to the manager and his team to help Travis improve rather than stay at his current level. Based on what I've seen from our team in the last four years I don't think TM is the man for that job.

Looking at our defensive recruitments over the years I'm not sure we can afford to be picky. Chances of us getting anyone better in are slim to none imo, which isn't me saying Lenihan is a great defender, but noting our current bulletproof manager barely pays attention to defence (despite once being a defender) and has arguably never brought in a decent permanent defensive signing. Tbf the players should be used to these crashes under TM as it's been a staple of his tenure here ever since we've been promoted back to the Championship. I don't think the players have faith in the manager getting us promoted, but I think they're happy enough to bob along in the Championship on decent enough contracts because hardly any of them are winners with any real ambition. Meanwhile if we do drop most of them know they'll get a gig somewhere else or they'll be able to keep sucking Rovers dry even if they rarely perform well (see Evans, Bennett, Bell, etc).

You can cherry pick a couple of L1's brightest prospects and potentially strike big, but build your entire transfer strategy on it and you're going down. With that said with Mowbray at the helm we're going down regardless, so w/e.

Two poor Championship teams sharing the points. In 2021 I imagine us and Rotherham have similar points hauls? Either way we'll be in their shoes next season if this joke of a manager is kept at the helm.

Worked out well for Ipswich - and by worked out well I mean they got relegated in embarrassing fashion and are still struggling to get out of League 1.

Mowbray's mentality has likely filtered down to the more impressionable lads in the squad by now. I don't think we have many (any?) real winners in the squad who have much idea what real success tastes like. Coming 2nd in League 1 doesn't count in terms of the club's supposed ambition. The entire club, including playing staff, needs a broom taking to it unfortunately. We need a rebuild from the ground up. Goes without saying I wouldn't keep the manager or his goons, but of the players we've had regularly turning out for the first team this season I can only really think of Kaminski, Lenihan, Dack, Travis, Dolan and Armstrong as players I would be keen on keeping. Maybe Nyambe as well at a push. The rest are inconsistent at best, and I don't think any of them have the kind of drive/ambition that gets teams promoted (sometimes most likely in spite of the manager - See Coyle/Burnley). The amount of sheer upheaval it would take to make this club promotion-worthy is really worrying. Dreams of promotion any time soon are a total pipe dream imo. Even a new manager coming in would have a hell of a job on his hands getting this club genuinely competitive again. It would require a sweeping change in philosophy and vision from top to bottom, and we know the club is rotten from the very top.

Lol, Dozzell hasn't even been that impressive at Ipswich. Also missed a lot of game time due to injury, so will fit right in with our philosophy of signing players who enjoy spending time in the treatment room.

The manager is fully to blame as he's been here four years and completely shaped the squad to his liking. The buck stops entirely with him. I still think on a personal level the players should be extremely disappointed in themselves, as our recent run was one of the worst in the club's history and regardless of what they think of the manager their names will now forever be associated with that.

Agreed. Rotherham's best chance of getting 3 points in their run in is against us imo, but only if they play it smart. Go attacking and we have shown we can pick teams off on the counter. If they sit back and slow the game down, they will get chances to score. We're too disorganised defensively to keep it tight for an entire match, regardless of the opposition, and we're too lightweight up front to seriously trouble teams who play compact. Most teams had figured us out by November.

Exactly, it's not that I will be hoping for us to lose... I just don't care. If we win then fine, but it doesn't change the fact that this is another season the manager and his players have thrown away. 2 wins from 17 is absolutely disgraceful, the lot of them are an embarrassment to the club with a couple of on-the-pitch exceptions who have generally done their jobs whilst their team mates failed abysmally in doing the bare minimum of giving 100% effort.

I have very little respect for the manager or the majority of the squad at this point. Our win against Huddersfield just emphasises the team can play if they feel like it, but we have too many players without a winner's mentality and a manager who definitely doesn't have one (and largely brings in players who are of a similar mould). At this point until Mowbray leaves I'm done caring about what happens in our matches - a winning streak now will only make the past few months' performances even more aggravating. The manager departing and a proper clear-out in the summer of these underperforming sad sacks (a few excepted) is urgently required for the club to realise any serious ambition of playoff contention. A change of ownership will also be required, though, so no expectation any of this will come to pass.

I think people forget how slow Formica was. With such a lack of pace he needed high positional intelligence and he didn't have that either. He shouldn't have left South America as his attributes never suited European football, and little surprise he ended up back in South America after failing to impress anywhere else.

This will be Rotherham's 3rd relegation from the Championship in 5 seasons.

Same old shit Chaddy, this team only performs when all the pressure is off and the opponents are shit.

Wouldn't be like us to have kept a clean sheet. God forbid.

People don't realise how bad the teams below us are. It's why I was never worried about us going down.

I've given up on believing Evans will ever leave here. He'll still be in the treatment room drawing a wage off us at 40.

The only season we've ever been proactive in the transfer market under TM was the summer of 2017. I struggle to believe we're lining up any kind of deals, as that isn't how we work under Venky's. Everything is delayed, painfully slow and usually wrong. Considering the amount of players we have out of contract shortly we should be sorting out deals now - but I fully expect us to get to mid-July with at best a kid on loan from one of the greedy six and/or a Boro cast-off on a 4 year deal.

Joe's old matches are a thing of beauty. He actually faced off against Jushin Liger in 2005 as well. Not a great match necessarily, but I do give TNA props for having an authentic Japanese style entrance for Liger, including his OG theme song. Since I'm posting Joe matches I'd be remiss not to include the three-way between Joe/Styles/Daniels at Unbreakable. Probably the best match TNA ever put on. Also gotta throw in Joe's shoot promo after Scott Hall no-showed a PPV.

From memory Joe had some weight issues in TNA which were part of the problem. Dude was pretty huge at one point, and not 'intimidating' huge, just straight up out of shape. He was a beast in the mid-to-late 2000s though. I remember watching a match between him and AJ Styles back in 2005 and just being like WTF. Not only was it an awesome match, but Joe's offence looked way more brutal and real than anything I'd seen up until that point. Turns out that's basically because Joe was being stiff as fuck, but nonetheless. I think it may have been this match... those kicks at the 05:05 mark ffs 😂 it gets pretty brutal from that point onwards for poor AJ tbh. As Joe's TNA run went on he got fatter and more demotivated unfortunately - can't blame him for the latter, as especially towards the end they just put him in stupid angles like "the nation of violence" where he was going around holding knives to people's throats.