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How much per week do you think those players were on? On the basis Downing, Tosin and Graham were three of the biggest earners they were likely on £50k per week between them. I'm still not sure what income streams has to do with what I am saying. Have other clubs making signings with bigger overheads than us had income? Why are we special?

Have other clubs been receiving revenue which helps them comply? I suppose many have because they've been selling season tickets, but other than that no. My beef is I'd like a signing or two and quickly and I'm sick of the excuse playbook coming out to justify our repeated failures in the market. Nowt to do with Covid, FFP, third parties or the weather. Responsibility lies at home.

Signing on a Sunday? Nah not at Rovers

Debt has got nothing to do with FFP rules. It matters not re. Compliance if we are £1 in debt or £1 billion in debt. As above the pandemic affects cash flow and ensures nobody will be able to comply with FFP. Hasn't stopped everyone else doing business with greater lost income and wages. All comes back home to roost either way.

Its got nothing to do with FFP. It seems you are ignoring the fact that since last season we have shaved circa £100,000 PER WEEK off the wage bill. Danny Graham, Stewart Downing, Christian Walton, Sam Hart, Richie Smallwood, Dominic Samuel and Tosin Adarabioyo combined will together have been on huge money. They are all gone. The only money added to the payroll has been Kaminski. I would hazard a guess that a Belgian goalkeeper won't be putting much on the wage bill. Even at £10 grand per week there is still a big saving being made. We were told we were FFP compliant the last 2 years. So why are we still in trouble having made massive savings?. Why does the above prevent us signing a CB and LB on £10,000 a week each? I guarantee Sarr wasn't on that much at Charlton and likely won't be at Huddersfield. Same for Bauer at Preston FFP just the latest excuse. It won't even be applied this year due to Covid. Are we seriously going to go into a 46 game Championship season and risk relegation whilst sticking to rules that can't be enforced? Venkys want to make cutbacks. That's up to them but responsibility lies upstairs at the club or with Mowbray for being inept in the transfer market and the club operating like a Sunday pub league side with the manager and a couple of his mates running everything. Another window goes by with no defensive signings. I'd have hoped the penny would have dropped by now. We just don't do defensive signings here.

I don't know enough about him. Just hope we've a couple of alternatives on the way. Id rather have him than nobody.

Huddersfield have signed Sarr from Charlton. Looking forward to see who we get if he wasn't one we tried for.

Warnock wouldn't be wasting his twilight years in management at a club unable to get players in. He wants another promotion. Everything that happens at Middlesbrough this summer will be done with a view to achieving that THIS season. He won't be looking at 2-3 years from now, player development or values or marginal gains. Having said that the best way of putting value into players is by getting promoted.

I put an offer in for a new Lamborghini the other day. I didnt offer the asking price and couldn't pay it but it was worth a try. Someone else paid what was needed and is now driving around in it. I had my photo taken at the dealership though so I can send that to my mates and they will be impressed. I can't help but think the above is Rovers approach to transfers.

Those ever moving goal posts have taken another shuffle overnight. Rich Sharpe now saying that if Williams stays it might just be one CB we are after along with a LB. A couple of weeks ago it was at least 2 CBs, another GK and a LB with hopefully a CM and RB. This is what they will now do. Gradually reduce the numbers and positions targeted until we reach a stage where 1 or 2 are celebrated as getting the business done. I also expect the CB target to evaporate after Magloire or Wharton have a decent game. I doubt we will see any mention of another keeper. Having us on here.

Is there any element of our support base that Waggott hasn't yet annoyed or completely alienated through his various schemes? Long standing season ticket holders in the BBE Upper tier family stand - their area shut and closed down and forcibly relocated to pitchside - no consultation JW Lower BBE side - turfed out because their seats became the new family stand and got taken over by families and kids Darwen Enders - their area shut down at a moment's notice without consultation - no effort whatsoever made to relocate them to a suitable other area of the ground - many no longer go to Ewood - less aggro though so happy days down there. JW upper - now being shifted out to make way for prawn sandwich brigade Riversiders will be next - they've already had a dose of what is to come with that stand being shut in most cup fixtures - league games will be next I feel lucky that as a JW Lower Darwen End sider I've not yet fallen victim to any of these bright ideas. Plenty of time for that though. When his plan for shifting thousands of season tickets in the lower tiers gets unveiled. I can't imagine how he plans on running it and this obsession with 'lower tiers' all stemming from Suhail and wanting the ground to look busy on TV. All done in the space of 3 years. All done in a very callous approach of 'this is it, take it or leave it, if you're a proper fan you'll back the club' I think people are rapidly getting wise to it and seeing through it all now and being asked to pay more for the privilege is a bitter pill to swallow.

Selling points? Supposedly a stable and properly run club with billionaire owners Famous proud successful history. The most successful club in the Championship by number of trophies won. Excellent training ground and facilities to work in. A side one push away from a promotion campaign after 2 solid yet unspectacular mid table finishes. I dont accept we are inferior to rival clubs or less attractive to potential players. Just a structure not up to the job of getting deals done. Not in a glamorous location? You said it yourself we are a short commute from Manchester and Cheshire home to all the City, United, Liverpool lot. Ideal. All the excuses in the world but really we have to look.at ourselves. Responsibility starts at home.

Bolton were clear in the smallprint that any games missed would be substituted for I Follow. No refunds. Nobody can complain, they signed up for it Better than taking their money promising 23 games and then refusing refunds and then putting prices up.

To crack the January window you need an operation on the ball who can move quickly and decisively during a busy period and close deals down. Here with dithering Tony, inept Waggott and Venus sorting out deals whilst not being assistant manager, all whilst the owners are absent and silent, its just easier to not bother and blame high prices instead. That and they can't get a meeting with Madame other than in the November international break so tough to get any cash. But when under no pressure or expectation and happy to plod along why rock the boat by trading in January?

I'm just dreading deadline day. Obvious issues that need to be addressed, the eternal optimists expecting incomings up to the last minute, Mowbray and Rovers claiming to be busy and confident of deals and then the crushing blow from Rich Sharpe at about 6pm telling us that nothing is going to happen and that our business is done.

Does anyone seriously believe that a proper contract was offered to Downing and he turned it down? I dont. I expect Mowbray will have had some informal discussions with him but given the clear cutbacks here it was unlikely to be viable.

The irony is that Mowbray is less accountable than any other manager in the League. If he gets it wrong, as he has on many transfers, nothing happens. If results are rubbish, nothing happens.

There's always an excuse here isn't there? Mysterious third parties that suddenly appear just as these foreign signings are flying in for a medical. Random Premier League clubs coming in and offering more money with our deal almost done. In fact we've had just about every excuse going and I'm bored with it. Its been going on for over 3 years and the situation isn't good enough. Something has to change. Our transfer strategy or system isn't working.

"To lose one may be misfortune. To lose two looks like carelessness"

Are they doing away with the family stand? Because if not you need to buy a child ticket to be able to sit in half of the JW lower. The other half is already well populated with ST holders (me and my mates among them), the empty seats are down nearer the DE and corner flag. I'd like to know what the clubs intentions are here because currently most seats in the Jw lower are taken by ST holders. Some will need to move elsewhere. They can't surely be planning on turfing people out of there but then moving others from elsewhere in. I'd also like to know why as a paid up 1875 club member I will have to enter a ballot on level pegging with non members and on a lower pegging than hospitality people.

Yep. Sums it up. Presumably the hospitality folk will have no issues gaining admittance for the pilot fixture whilst us plebs have to enter a ballot to decide who gets to go.

Bit of an issue when the only way of asking is to be granted an audience in person with Madame and then jumping on a long haul flight to Pune before every transfer window to receive this cash. If only there was an alternative. I think Mowbray and Waggott may have honourable intentions with not acceding to the demands of expensive players but it really is no excuse. If they know what we have to work with it is foolish to pursue players outside this in the hope they significantly drop demands and then ending up with nobody,

This the same Suhail that oversaw the Lambert fiasco then the Warnock/Coyle saga? Sounds about right.

Waggott said we were mid way on wages during the 2018--19 season when we were back in the Championship. So we somehow dropped from being mid way in 2018 to towards the bottom end in 2019-20? How did that happen?

Nixon reckons Simon Grayson getting the Wigan job in time for Saturday. Pretty steady appointment for a side in their position. About as good as you can get at that level.