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Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach
JHRover replied to Tom's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I hope he releases a statement via the LMA containing all the sordid details of what has gone on here. And I hope he's considering a claim for constructive dismissal and takes them to the cleaners.- 9495 replies
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Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach
JHRover replied to Tom's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
That would be sensible in our position. Stop conceding soft goals. So won't happen. -
Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach
JHRover replied to Tom's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
We're at such a stage I'd rely on the account of a Daily Mail reporter more than I would Radio Lancashire/ Telegraph It is inevitable. Yet the club will even drag this out to maximise uncertainty and confusion further damaging our already shredded reputation and hindering what is becoming a survival mission. -
Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach
JHRover replied to Tom's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
No money Scum owners Sham board Cost cuts galore Glorified academy team Unsackable coaching staff It's Damian Johnson's to lose.- 9495 replies
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That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
The League can't do anything, they can moan and groan and give points deductions but if the owner isn't selling they can't force him to. They're only making noises about Reading because their fans have kicked off big time and the League want to be seen to be doing something about it. We need the Indian authorities / courts to rescue us and need to forget about English based intervention. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Because he was mates with Mowbray and he convinced the owners of the need for a 'CEO' after 8 years without one. Despite this he's a CEO in name only so they struck lucky finding someone happy to act as a human shield and not actually be CEO, just pretend to be. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Bullshit machine in overdrive. Saturday's anger won't have gone unnoticed by Waggott and the invisible man, they know people are getting fed up and seeing through their rubbish. It's taken them a few days but they've now managed to create another ridiculous scenario whereby some anonymous staff member has allegedly forgotten to click 'submit' and unfortunately this has cost us the transfer. Remarkable. Never mind, they've got various 'sources' on twitter running with it so they can brainwash angry supporters into believing it really was just a simple admin error. Of course it was. Wake up people, this is typical Venky Rovers smoke and mirrors. Divert attention away from India and to nameless people working in the club offices. End result, as it so often is, Venkys avoid spending extra money. How convenient. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
What is abundantly clear is that the Venky stooges and employees at Ewood and Brockhall will go to great lengths to cover up the shenanigans of their bosses and to shield them from any criticism or responsibility. What we never, ever get is a story that our failings and ineptitude are a direct result of ownership decisions, incompetence, delay, cost cuts. They want us to believe that poor Venkys are blameless. They really care and try their very best but are let down by issues down the chain. Inept employees, bad advice, nasty authorities, Football League, you name it they've played the lot over the last decade. Sadly swathes of the fanbase have lapped up those excuses and stories, accepted them and convinced themselves that they are correct, and even insisted to others that they are and accused those who doubt the party line (me being one of them) of being negative, conspiracy theorists etc. They are desperate down there to avoid the spotlight being shone on Pune. They will blame anyone and anything but the people in control. One reason I believe is that Venkys in their obnoxious arrogance think they are great and faultless and beyond criticism, and also assume that because they pay the bills this entitles them to do as they please without question. But they also want people to think they are wonderful and if the truth got out - that they can't cough up the cash because they aren't spending or that rather than being great, wonderful businessmen they are actually a group of idiots who happened to get lucky with their daddy's fortune, this might tarnish the image they have of themselves. They'll have parasites like Pasha, Waggott, Kean brown nosing them telling them how great they are to stay on the gravy train. In return these cretins will come up with all sorts to keep the heat off the Indians and keep them happy. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Why are we expected to pay top end prices to watch an amateur unprofessional club -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Just wonder how many others of these deals there might have been over the years, ones that haven't been common public knowledge I very much doubt we've conducted ourselves properly every window bar the last two January's. I bet there are dozens of similar horror stories that we don't know about. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
This is hilarious. Almost a word for word copy and paste of the shit they were coming out with last February after the O'Brien fiasco. It would be bad enough if this had never happened before, but twice in a year in identical circumstances? A disgrace, embarrassment and utterly tragic. I don't know how they dare even release this statement after last year. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I think our only hope is that the investigations / court applications in India come to our rescue. If the investigation expands or continues for a long time to come, or if it unearths evidence of wrongdoing, or if the Court for one reason or another decides it isn't going to allow this to continue, then they are going to have to come up with something new, this being either a new way to fund the club free from these restrictions or lose the club. I can't see any alternative and assume it isn't easy to simply switch to another way of funding the club. If it is indeed the case that we are relying on sales and cuts every transfer window to generate the funds and space on the wage bill to continue to operate then this is unsustainable for many reasons. For me the worst outcome would be that the authorities don't find any wrongdoing, end the restrictions and Venkys return to 'business as usual' albeit conveniently with a drastically reduced cost base. We will still likely end up in League One due to cost cutting but the pressure will be off the owners and they can revert to leaving us on the shelf to rot for a few more years. They aren't giving this up easily or voluntarily IMO. The only hope is the decision is forced on them by more powerful bodies, a Court or government agency. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
My guess as to the answers to your questions 1) It was Gregg who appointed JDT and probably made promises to him when doing so. Nominally Gregg is the boss when it comes to recruitment and signings. So I expect in the early days JDT assumed, like most people would, that Gregg was in control of this and that when things went right or wrong he was responsible for it. I think JDT has learned over the last 12 months that actually Gregg is another who has been played like a fiddle and made into a scapegoat when the problems lie much higher up the chain, and I suspect JDT even has some sympathy for Gregg, and is doing his best to turn the focus onto the real problem here, and the chuckle brothers who occupy the directors box. 2) I believe that Mowbray had a 'personal' link to the owners due to his trips to India and that as a result of this he essentially had his own power base and authority to do certain things, within reasonable limits. I suspect this is the reason why Mowbray had more freedom, he was effectively unsackable whilst under contract and he was able to go out into the market and recruit under his own steam (e.g. Hedges). The shift to the D of F structure has severed any link between India and the team management and instead left the shadow man as the only direct link to India. As such the only way anything happens is through him and when India approve it. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I don't think this needs to be made into something bigger or more elaborate. I think it is actually quite simple. People on the ground, manager, Broughton, Silvester, do what they need to do to get the deal ready for finalising. One of the final steps on this route is Indian approval. No purchases or cash commitments can be made without, That approval doesn't come through in time. Either because they are busy doing more important things with their time, far too important to concern themselves with this organisation, can't agree on whether to do it or are bullshitters when it comes to money and won't authorise it despite previously promising to, fundamentally the end result is the same - no authorisation and therefore no transfer. People on the ground are understandably left looking rather silly, so they can either be honest and blame the Indians and lose their jobs, or make up various increasingly unbelievable excuses but keep their jobs. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
People said that Venkys 'rejected' bids for Rothwell and Diaz in a bid to get what they wanted or help the team to promotion. I don't believe they did, I just don't think they approved those sales in sufficient time for them to go ahead. People said that the O'Brien deal was a transfer paperwork cock up by Broughton, Silvestre, Waggott. I don't believe so, I think authorisation couldn't be obtained from India in time to allow it to complete before the deadline. Looks like the same with McGuire. People said that the owners had decided to change path from Mowbray which is why they let him go. I don't believe so, I think his contract ran out, they failed to do anything about it until even Mowbray got fed up with them and walked. It is this silence and complete and utter indifference to the fortunes of their football club that saw Kean wreak havoc for years, that has seen a hollowing out of the club and decaying infrastructure, that saw Mowbray plod on the road to nowhere for 5 years, that sees Waggott sitting in an office he should be nowhere near and still on the gravy train after 6 years. They are responsible. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
As CEO Waggott is the highest ranking individual within the company. He manages and is responsible for the overall operations. Whether it is his job or not to sign the paperwork he is ultimately responsible when things go wrong, and by god have they. Yet silence. Shoulder shrugging. Business as normal. Let speculation, rumour and uncertainty ravage the club, hang your manager and D of F out to dry. Now that's leadership for you. -
Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach
JHRover replied to Tom's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Internal appointment. They will want a cheap yes man and clearly haven't got the cash or aptitude to appoint a tried and tested external option. They are so thick they will think people will embrace a Johnson appointment because he used to play for us. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
My prediction is that after the debacle of last January the 'powers' in the shadows instructed or requested Broughton take the blame for it and do an interview to fob the fans off and keep the heat off the owners. Broughton complied with this instruction / request, though viewing his interview it was clear that there was a lot more to it than what he said and he was clearly very uncomfortable with the situation and also referenced 'internal and external factors'. I think he was doing what he felt he had to do but wasn't happy about it and at least a part of the problem was the people above him at the Club. Nevertheless he did it, he took the blame and responsibility, sheltered the others from blame and promised it wouldn't happen again. I suspect he felt that it was still early days for him here and that with time it might correct itself. A year on and he's realised that nothing has or will change, because it's the same charlatans in India and the same charlatans sat in the directors box. Result? Similar chaos and embarrassment on deadline day. Penny has dropped. Waggott will be squirming after the fans and Telegraph turned yesterday and will be trying to respond. Solution will be to try and get Broughton to front it up and take the blame again, only Broughton isn't going to play the game any longer. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Broughton and JDT will be the 'easy' ones to shift. Both professionals, both have decency and some degree of ambition. It's the Venky scum and their stooges up the chain that will be harder to shift. The gravy train keeps on riding with no end in sight. -
That *was* the January Window
JHRover replied to Herbie6590's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
It's Venkys. Always has been, always will be. Employees will come up with stories and excuses to cover themselves and avoid incurring the wrath of the Indians. But ultimately they need to approve things. And they won't move quickly, and if they can't agree on things then it either drifts until too late or doesn't happen. -
We are going down (the pessimism thread)
JHRover replied to simongarnerisgod's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
It's also partly down to our obsession with using the kids and academy so much. Ultimately in this league you need know how to hold on in games, deal with pressure and fight back. This lot have chiseled away at experience (cost) for 3 years and it should be no surprise when the kids struggle against battle hardened men in the Championship. Reap what you sow. It seems the penny may have dropped in the last two days of the window. But those signings may be too little too late given they won't even be match fit. -
Oh yes I agree. I just think stating the 'nobody is interested in replacing Venkys and even if they did they'd need £20 million a year' line is just quite lazy and lifted from fans comments online. But definitely a step forward and the type of thing that will hopefully get the relevant people sweating
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Hard to say as it depends on what the aim is and how far an owner wants to go. Nothing wrong with losing £20 million a year if you have something to show for it and the owner can afford it, but let's look at our peers - similar or smaller clubs who compete at this level each year and how much it costs them: Millwall lost £12.6 million last year. The year before £13.8 million. Preston lost £12.2 million last year. The year before £16.9 million. Hull lost £7.9 million last year. The year before £9.7 million. Luton lost £8 million and got promoted. Watford lost £17 million despite a legacy of PL wages and costs. Swansea lost £13 million So just a few examples but I'd love to know why we couldn't quickly get down to that sort of ball park without any particular problems.
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Good to see the Telegraph waking up to reality and doing something about it. Hopefully some of those who believe everything they read in the papers will wake up now. "There is not a massive queue of creditable investors waiting to take over the club. Certainly not those with the ability to write off losses to the tune of circa £20 million a year" Sadly he lets himself down with this, nobody, least of all the Telegraph reporter, knows how many people are or would be interested in taking over here, and nobody will know until the existing lot put the for sale signs up. Until then it is complete guesswork. £20 million a year is another lazy figure thrown out there to inflate what is actually required to sustain a bottom half Championship club. It doesn't need anywhere near that amount.
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They're a disgrace and should be ashamed and embarrassed. They are also cowards, unwilling to face up to and confront what they have done and instead hide behind lackeys. Their only defence after 13 years is that they pay the bills. Kind of sums it up doesn't it. I long for the day that they are history and I never have to think about or hear their name again. It would be a bonus if their wealth and status came crashing down around them, and the least they deserve.