Didn’t we try this with the 1875 club? Died on its arse not long after we left L1.

Yes I see. Agreed that throwing £30 million a year down the toilet year after year means nowt to them. The general state of the commercial operation is testament to revenue generating being left to wither on the vine as the millions roll in from Pune to plug gaping holes in incomings… However, Waggott is still supposedly judged on short term revenue targets (that he always misses), which is a big reason we see these outrageous ticket prices and crowds thus falling year on year, he therefore has no motivation to introduce enticing pricing that can get folk back in the tent and build back a fanbase long term. As always noting ever adds up in Venky World.

Yes, as I’m talking bums on seats, attendances etc. Apologies if we are at cross purposes, what’s your point?

They simply aren’t ’irrelevant’, as last season showed. If we’d had more ST holders crowds would have been higher when we sat second. ’Home straight’ I agree we would as that is a different issue, as you are getting loads of floating fans coming out the woodwork in a promotion run in that you wouldn’t see for a game, in say, February. That’s the case everywhere.

That’s true, but we also need robust ST sales as a base. Look at last season, walk ons doubled as we sat near the top, but as we now only have a very small number of ST holders, crowds still struggled to get over 13/14k, yes that’s better than the 10k earlier in the season, but not good enough for team second in the league. Now if we sell c10k STs and then charge up the league, that’s when you see big c17/18k crowds on a regular basis. So ST sales are important.

We’ve had a spike since JDT, so thankfully the absolutely horrendous sales of this time last week have been improved on, thank God. However, Bolton, Burnley, PNE have all sold c12/13k. We had sold just over 7k on Friday (our joint lowest sales at this stage for 30+ years, level with last season’s disastrous sales). So don’t come on here giving it the big ‘un if you haven’t even bothered to check the figures. Unfortunately we won’t be ‘selling the most in many years’ and will be selling less than all three of those clubs. Something I never thought I’d type and that is on the pathetic ‘leadership’ that you now seem to have no issue with post a few brews in a certain office.

You’d think so, it’s a relentlessly professional set up at Citeh.

No, it’s not wise, but that’s a different issue. More fool VK if he tries to integrate too many academy loanees. It’s a league that takes no prisoners and some of these lads will be found wanting on the physical side, there ain’t many Harvey Elliotts at 17/18.

Why would a young player who’s spent his career cocooned in an academy like City’s have an opinion either way on the merits of Burnley v Watford v Norwich? They’ll go where they are told and City will be pushing on an open door with these lads anyway with Kompany there.

I’m intrigued with the football side, certainly looks promising, but of course the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. A DoF and a title winning, CL playing head coach is a new direction and whatever happens it’s worth the gamble for a side that had got very stale. Green shoots? Definitely. However, the commercial side is in a bigger mess as ever. Waggott has had four years at it, and failed badly. So that’s another area where we desperately need a new broom, and I’ve no idea why he hasn’t been removed, as he has admitted himself that he is repeatedly missing his own targets. Green shoots? No, just weeds.

Unfortunately this is the collateral damage when those running the club are making ticketing policy up on the hoof in panicked response to crap sales and being given a shoeing on social media. The fact that these U-turns are a regular occurrence under this plonker seems to be lost on him.

What’s the question you want answering? The forum is happy is here. You are asking why it is isn’t a coup; nobody has said it wasn’t a coup to get a fella that was managing in the CL and winning titles in recent seasons You’ve asked why posters think Rovers isn’t attractive; nobody has said it isn’t, we are Blackburn Rovers fanatics on this forum, of course we think it’s an attractive job. So like I said you are stirring again and I don’t know what you are getting out of it…

Creating an argument that isn’t there again. Tell me a single poster unhappy with the appointment.

You’re joking, what was it he said? ‘My skill set is not suited to League 1’, so he wouldn’t get out of bed for those cloggers in even lower divisions…

Now I’m entertained by winning first and foremost, but if you are entertained by ‘good football’, who said you can’t have both? Course you can, but winning is the ultimate aim for a professional football club as those points you gain is what gets you up and out of leagues and therefore improved budgets and players follow. If you can do it with panache too, great, but wins come first and if you have a manager that provides them, you don’t sack them.

And that’s always the way, some don’t renew, some newbies come on board, always a churn. But to have around a third of existing STs holders not renewing before the claim your seat deadline is very worrying and even with a load of new purchasers you won’t be growing your overall ST base with that level of non renewal .

Definitely, the seat map looked absolutely horrendous on Monday morning, now it want exactly packed on Friday morning, but there was an obvious spike. Every club has that floating fanbase, that just needs a rocket up it and enthusing, and boy did this club need to be roused from its comatosed state…

No it doesn’t, but if they are granted responsibility despite being incompetent and are allowed to just carry on regardless, they aren’t exactly going to say no to a nice wedge, and it’s 100% on the owners for allowing it.

But the owners keep them employed, so as always the buck stops with them…

Perhaps it was possible to find a manager that would get a skint club playing ‘football the right way’ and mid table like it had with Sam, but Williams, as one of the custodians of the club with a responsibility to keep it solvent, decided getting to 40 points with a proven operator was more important for a club with no money, than taking a risk (he’d learnt the hard way after Ince) and potentially bringing on relegation, big financial losses and a much reduced club. And he was 100% correct in doing so. Well you’re not right, as you are confusing what you personally enjoy/don’t enjoy with what is best for the football club.

Well it depends, like you I’m speculating, but if Swag was overseeing this highly rigorous process going on for weeks and weeks, akin to hiring a new finance director and getting nowhere… then GB comes in, wants JDT, gets him in days, perhaps football is just a tad more dynamic than standard corporate recruitment processes…

No, but he could still make something of himself. Trundling on the pitch a stone overweight isn’t going to help…

Sorry, obviously misread your post, I thought you were alluding to the fact he wasn’t going to Burnley due to his impending move to AFCB…

I’m there to support my football club to get results to improve its stature, to get up the table and grow. Those results make me happy as it helps my club thrive, I’m very much entertained by that. I understand other people’s views on what entertains them, but I find it odd a few folk in here can’t seem to understand this view.

If this is the approach, it should be an early bird price for everybody, a rise for everybody. Why actually incentivise keeping your sales, at best, static by penalising new customers?! Never known a business plan like it.