It just shows why the modern game turns the stomach of so many. Smallwood has wasted a season of his career sitting out the last year of a juicy contract, the Gladwin oddity, Mulgrew being paid big money to not play...yet a narrative is being painted by a well remunerated executive carpet bagger that it’s a small discount/refund on STs to fans that have dedicated decades of time and money to the club could lead to its demise!

U23 football isn’t any kind of barometer. Glorified training matches against players coming back from injury operating at half pace, de-motivated first teamers and some young lads that just won’t make it and are passing time until they are released. Doesn’t mean you can’t pull diamonds out of there, look at Travis, but you can only judge them from what you see in the first team. So give JRC a run of games, but it’s fair enough to say apart from the cameo against Sheff Wed who were a well beaten 10 men by the time he came on, he hasn’t looked particularly impressive. And that’s fine and to be expected for many young lads, by the way, Travis has come on leaps and bounds with first team experience.

Back of the Times made me laugh. Trent Alexander-Arnold battles for the ball with * “err, anybody have a clue who the other fella is”... “no? Right we’ll leave it out”

And who’s to blame for that?

Back in the days of yore, didn’t the owners personally pay for the coaches and refreshments for fans to go to Wolves for Survival Sunday? Now £25/£30 a head for 3,000 is obviously a smaller figure than say, £45 back for 8,500 paid STs, but it is still chicken feed, and you know, an actual olive branch that could go a long way to repair relations, and remember, they are billionaires that ‘never refuse to sign a cheque’...

Most fans will accept no refund for the here and now. However, in the back of many fans’ mind will be the expectation that there will be some kind of discounted STs for next season (making the assumption that next season is normal-ish. When that doesn’t arrive (because knowing how Waggott has run the club, it won’t) then we we will see the lowest renewals since the nadir of the mid ‘80s and crowds of 4/5,000, many of those non-renewals lost for good at a club that has already seen thousands of fans disappear in recent times from its already limited fanbase. End of the J*B, if we are in as dire straits as you outline, we are f*ucked either way as pursuing this plan of action will lead to a collapse in ticket sales and hospitality income that far outweighs a relatively small refund on STs that at least gives us a chance of keeping many more fans in the tent long term.

I noticed there was a Fans Forum yesterday, hopefully he was made aware of the very precarious position we will find ourselves in fanbase wise if this is handled wrongly... but I doubt it. The importance of re-stocking player photos in the club shop and concourse shelving I imagine took precedence.

Reading your posts, obviously not.

Thing is Chaddy, you have no credibility, because even though now you are ‘surprised’ there is no deferral offered and you believed it was a ‘poor action’ that there was no refunds offered, we all know that when STs are finally on sale, if there is no discount, you’ll be all... ‘The club has handled this very well’ ’The prices are very reasonable’ ’It’s only £15 a game, why can’t fans just support their club?’ ’You can’t expect the club to offer discounts, what about FFP?’

Or flip it, people getting all excited over a friendly because BB was ‘running riot’ against the reserve team of a club about to be thrown out the EFL...

Sounds to me that legally they know they can’t refuse but they’ll make it as difficult as possible...

Blame PeteJD. He’ll cling on to ‘But Lyndsay Talbot said...’ for dear life for the next 6 months Oh look ⬇️

Yes, to show they value our loyalty, that we are a CLUB. Doesnt have to be week, month specific. A pre-emptive positive PR gesture that keeps the fanbase onside and will in all likelihood lead to us maintaining more ST holders in the long run. ‘The club is not yet sure when fans will be allowed back into their cherished seat at Ewood Park. But as a recognition of your loyal support, we will discount your ST for our long awaited return. #onerovers #together’

Thought the club ‘were working in the background to offer us different offers’ for this season? What happened to that? Why can’t they discuss potential discounts to loyal ST holders?

The problem is Waggott seems to never look further than immediate cash flow and unlike John Williams he’s still not worked out the Rovers fanbase and local demographics. So, he’ll plead poverty and ask for ‘loyalty’ when he just prices season tickets as normal, yet when he misses his targets and income projections as thousands don’t renew (and as we know, many non renewers never come back), he’ll be flummoxed, not realising loyalty is a two way street. Instead if he looked to the big picture and discounts them, he would keep many more STs in the camp long term as they’ll feel valued. What’s the old saying? ‘Give a little, get a lot back’

I know long standing ST holders in their 80s who don’t have the internet, never mind smartphones. They can’t go around other folks houses for obvious reasons. So, they would expect a choice, be asked to forgo the money (club owned by billionaires paying execs half a million a year and some second division players 10k a week, but whatever) or a discount for next season to acknowledge they’ve missed 4 games. But in reality it’s just a big f *ck you for them and their loyal support?

You honestly think ‘most fans’ (10,000? people) would have bought 9 matches week after week? The majority would have bought zero. Get real.

I’m afraid the next set of renewal figures will be historic for all the wrong reasons, like the disasters of 1960 and 2012...

I’ve not ‘saved’ anything as I’m not receiving a product I’ve paid for. But I will take the inferior product anyway as I do want to help out the club. But I’m not talking about me, but the thousands of fans with no interest or access to streaming.

I will be watching, like I’ve said already. However, the club has a duty as a business to promote all alternatives.

But it’s not the same content? If I had a monthly cinema pass and they asked me to take DVD’s instead, I would be in the rights to say thanks, but no thanks, as it’s not what I paid for, so could you arrange my refund. My local gym is offering online classes, to try and avoid people cancelling direct debits. Some are partaking, some are asking for refunds. I haven’t cancelled as I appreciate the work the owners have put in to the gym to build it up. But if they can still offer refunds, our billionaire owned football club certainly can. Basic consumer rights.

I know they are, but ST holders pay for home games, so it doesn’t matter if a refund wouldn’t match £90.

£90? £40 you mean, as you don’t buy a ST for away games. ’Reasonable as always next season’, So no loyalty discount for ST holders next season for waiving nearly a quarter of a season they’ve paid for, then?

Hang on? I thought the ticket office were working really hard to ensure YOU WILL GET A REFUND? These quotes say that unlike most clubs there won’t be any refunds, instead going for the ‘are you committed?’, ‘stand with us’, guilt trip line. Anyone would think we were owned by the local butcher, not billionaires. ‘During this unprecedented period, we are urging Rovers fans to stand with us and show their support, as we work towards a successful end to the season and a brighter future for everyone connected to the club. Rovers would like to reassure supporters that the effects of the Coronavirus on our community are of the upmost concern to everyone at the club and we appreciate that fans and their families will have been presented with financial challenges as a result. We also appreciate your understanding of the financial issues the club have and are currently facing, as a result of being unable to host supporters inside Ewood Park. Refunding supporters would come at a significant financial cost to the club, at a time when our revenues have reduced to zero, and would have a serious detrimental effect on the club’s operations going forward. We therefore believe the best value solution for both supporters and the club is providing season ticket holders with free access to all of the remaining live streamed games. In order to safeguard the future of the club, we would ask supporters to stand with us and not request cash refunds, which will ensure the club remains on the strongest financial footing possible in order to work towards our collective goals as #OneRoversTogether. I’ll watch the steams, and I personally wouldn’t have asked for a refund anyway. However, at least half of ST holders wont be interested in a stream, because they aren’t tech savvy, elderly or simply as they paid to watch live football in Ewood Park, not an internet stream. Of course, social media will be alive with ‘great move Rovers’, ‘get behind the club’, ‘can’t believe anybody would ask for a refund’ (many of them who won’t even be ST holders) But in the real world, many ST holders will be bemused and if they expect anywhere near 9,000 people to renew next season (or whenever fans are allowed back) in the midst of a global depression with a fanbase out of the habit of attending, without any discount to acknowledge the loyalty and good faith of the fanbase who have ‘stood together’ with the club, then they are in line for a rude awakening, as history tells us Rovers fans show their dissatisfaction by quietly withdrawing their wallets at renewal time.

Anfield according to Twitter...