I thought England played ok last night. Obviously not a top class performance but you have to be honest with yourselves over this. Carragher has shown himself to be a sub-standard centre-half at international level. Luke Young is average. Ashley Cole is still dreaming of Chelsea (and his girlfriend no doubt) Becks has been past it for a while now. Can Gerrard and Lampard play together for the benefit of the team – does not look like it…. Owen has not played a lot recently – should get goals but will only deteriorate under Dean Saunders et al. World Cup….. Brazil are top quality, England are not. Time to get real England fans; you are not as good as you would like to think. Your strongest team out will probably get you to World Cup quarters but the lack of World Class players is evident.

Todd's out (suspended) is he not?

Think some of you don't fully understand how bad the relationship between Toshack and Hughes is. Savage comments may be 'childish' but Toshack has taken the pi*s out of him since he became Wales manager.

Hughes has just told Savage to let his football do the talking this season. He told the Sun reporter that last week.

Just watched Toshack and he really is a kn*b. It is personal between him and Savage - also Hughes and Bowen may I add. So Savage can come out and says what he wants regarding Wales. As I said in my previous post, Hughes has advised him this season not to speak to press before/after matches, but he is allowed to air his grievances over Wales which is fair enough.

Hughes has warned Savage about this interviews with the media. He is allowed to talk about Wales but not do any post match interviews unless he is man of the match.

I come onto this part of the chat forum for BRFC related football news. This thread has got nothing to do with football and should be moved IMO.

The Souness chant just sums up the losers/chavs/neds that sing it or think 'that its class man'. It also shows that they lack a brain and any sort of decent up bringing, I cringe reading their contributions on this message board.

They can do what they want as people have said (within reason). You can’t take away from the fact that they look like chavs and act like them. Plus the fact that they cannot spell.

Must have been Dean Saunders presence at talks yesterday that swung it for him. Souness always was a persuasive force when it came to transfers.

Did not really mention, but thought Vratty did ok when he came on. Matteo has actually been ok this season. On Jansen, he did ok. Gave the ball away a couple of times but we looked slightly better attacking wise when he was on. He was huffing and puffing a bit, which shows he has a long way to get his fitness back.

Finally getting over the defeat. Once again I went to the Villa game in hope of a good performance. I was maybe overly harsh after the match but in my view both sides lack quality. There was huff and puff from our guys but we lost to an average Villa side. Like we lost to an average West Ham side. Few observations (I have not read this thread yet so apologies if I repeat) - Flitcroft should not play unless we are desperate. He offers nothing and looks so slow. I like the guy but he is not upto it. I am hoping he is one of the 'two going out' in the next couple of days. - Tugay caused the first goal. However, I would keep him in the side as we have no one else who can unlock opposition defences. - I still do not know what Steven Reid's best position is. He is a very basic player but can be very effective. - Savage should get a grip over his corners. He should also stop shouting at our own players for no reason. It was out of order on young Jemal. He also loves playing hopeless passes to no-one. Maybe he has been getting tips off Tugay. I could go on and I have not mentioned our more obvious problems but I can't be bothered. If Hughes thought bringing in Bellamy would answer all our problems he should maybe think again. We still cannot attack well and I dread to think what will happen when we play one of the league's better teams. I can accept losing to good teams and performances but not the rubbish I have watched on the previous two away games.

Hope Savage can keep calm tomorrow in an intimidating atmosphere. He is going to get abuse, like he does at every away ground. His record of yellow cards to games so far is ridiculous.

Team news from the club reported that Neill will be banned for Villa match.

Anyone know of a decent pub in Brum beforehand.......

Same failings as last season. Someone who can score up front. We were fit and organised at the end of last season under Hughes I thought. Maybe too early to judge, but that's the way it seems at the moment.

We create chances but this is just the same as last season, we need more up front. With or without Bellamy.

Blackburn should have been ahead long before then and boss Mark Hughes was left shaking his head as he walked down the tunnel at half-time.

I see the comments after the game now: "Tugay was playing with his invisible friend again. he is past it" " we need another striker, Kuqi is not Prem class" " Reid doesn't do anything from the centre, cant pass" Seriously though, hope we can stuff them. Living down in London means you have to put with Spurs fans thinking they are going to win the league, if not this year next. They do have a quality squad but I am hoping we can take them at home. Come on boys lets take our game to another level.......

Oscar Raven - some of your comments have been a bit over the top. He did us well for a couple of years here etc etc Personally (like a few others) I am interested to see how he gets on. It feels like I know the way he works because he was here for a few years.

Article on attendances - not sure if anyone has posted this article yet!

Out for 6 weeks, breaking news on Sky.

If Hughes thinks Derbyshire is upto it put him in. Awful news, sums up my week well so far......

Lee Out of interest (sad I know) has the pre-match conference changed from Fridays to Thursdays? Intially Hughes did them on Fridays but this was changed for the last few matches of last season and begun that way this season?? If so as well, do you know why? Souey always did his Friday mornings from memory! Players will not report to training until tomorrow presumably.

newsnow has just gone through one of its mad phases where it digs up previous stories!