OK - but if you’re asking people to support the work which you’re doing, you need to spell out clearly what it is you intend on doing to put the pride back into the football club. Until that point I don’t know what you’re proposing. Listen, I’m all for it. In principle. I know some of the names involved - some (not all) are very well connected and have plenty of resource available to them. I’ll try it another way. Step 1 - assemble ‘we’ - a group of long time trusted friends who want to put the pride back into Blackburn Rovers. What is step 2, 3, 4 and 5? Is it to add people from your group to the board? Is it to convince Venkys to sell the club to your consortium of friends? Is it to remove the existing management and replace them with local lads? Is it to reward Tony Mowbray with a 10 year contract? Is it to sell the academy land? Keep it? What is it?

I mixed up EFL rules on CEO and Directors - so I’ve hidden the posts to avoid confusion, but you’re right.

I don’t know if they will or they won’t. But I do know it won’t be Waggott and Cheston making the decision. So if you want it to happen - don’t waste any time with those two. Most of the Rovers related ‘groups’ have Suhail’s phone number, I suggest starting there.

No - they can’t just make a decision like that and do it without telling Balaji. But if they recommend it, it happens. It’s a trust led business model.

Yes, but nowhere near as much as a typical CEO would - and nowhere near as much as Pasha. If Pasha said tomorrow everyone needs to go, they’d be out the same day.

The role isn’t your typical role, to be fair. As a CEO goes he’s probably got less influence than any other CEO in the league. Suhail is the boss.

My error! You’re right. Everything else stills stands.

There’s people on this site that are 10 years deep into investigating Venkys and Rovers. @glen9mullanspent years looking at it, ending with his family being targeted with the club. @Kamy100has been working alongside journalists for the best part of a decade and has some really shocking stories of threats he’s had. If they’re at a 7 or 8 on ‘the truth of Venkys time at Rovers’ scale, I would describe myself as at 3. And by that all I mean is I understand how the business works. For the sake of transparency, I’ve put it below: Venkys They’re absolutely wadded - Billions on top of Billions, mostly through the chicken business set up by their father, but they’ve also personally made a tonne of money buying land around India, which has significantly gone up in value. Rovers is Balaji’s investment. He loves the idea of investing in interesting businesses. He owns a football club, a music production company, a film company. Those are the circles he enjoys to be in. His son is very interested in Rovers and one day, the plan is for it to be his. Venkys Staff involved at Rovers Suhail Pasha, who has worked for the family since 2009 in a whole host of roles. He started off relatively low in the business but has done well and now has Balaji’s support. He does a whole host of jobs but is trusted to run Balaji’s investments and make decisions on his behalf. He’s well trusted and in the inner circle. He is currently living in the area and running Rovers, reporting directly back to Balaji. Gandhi Babu, he works between Zurich and Pune and manages Balaji’s group of investments of which Rovers is one. He’s trusted by Balaji and reports back to him on the progress of his investments individually and as a group. If you have a business and want investment from Venkys, you speak to Babu who decides whether it is worth it and if so, recommends it back up the ladder. Rovers management Balaji trusts Mowbray because he thinks he’s honest. He’s been stung before by people taking advantage and he doesn’t think Mowbray is doing. So he has his support. To fulfil EFL requirements you must have someone they deem to be up to standard as CEO and FD. Mowbray was asked for recommendations on who could fit these roles, in came Waggott as CEO. They fulfil their obligations within the club but ultimately Waggott reports to Pasha and Cheston reports to Babu. Key decisions (from money to on the pitch) are taken by Pasha and Babu.

Just for me - you mention ‘achieving anything’ - what exactly is it you’re hoping to achieve? At what point will you be saying ‘we’ve done our bit now’? Ultimately, what is the end game, not necessarily for the club, but for the group. Specifically, if possible? And how do you intend on achieving it?

I’ve no idea what their ultimate aim is. But I do know unless you’re speaking to Pasha or Babu you may as well be speaking to the receptionist. Only those two have any significant power at Ewood.

I think we’re all hoping Mowbray is long forgotten about by then.

Suhail has worked his way up within the business - he may have been driving the car, but he wasn’t a chauffeur. I imagine he was reporting back to Venkys what they where discussing. Keep your enemies close, as they say. Regardless, he now personally runs many of Venkys businesses - including Rovers - alongside Balaji. He’s his right hand man - he’s one of the few that are explicitly trusted to get the job done.

I hate to say this because it causes division - but this cycle was predictable 18-12 months ago. It should have never got here and if Mowbray hadn’t been so blindly backed despite the obvious frailties we wouldn’t have had to put everyone involved through this. We’ve just scored but I’m posting this anyway.

Things only disappear when people abuse each other or make totally unsubstantiated claims that put me personally at legal risk. The latter seems to be the new trend.

How on earth anyone can vote ‘for’ with such a lack of information available is beyond me. A 14% swing between for and against is frightening. But hey - we’ve seen what happens when you put things to the public in this country.

As someone - currently - against the proposals, as I understand it the positive case for it is quite simple, see below: It is proven elsewhere that having the academy and senior team on the same site is of benefit. That is what people building custom built training complexes do. If the proposal improves the quality of the STC and if the academy maintains its cat 1 approval then that’s great. If the professional opinion is we’re not utilising the space and will not ever need two separate sites, then I can get on board with it. But I don’t trust them. So I oppose it.

Will you all please stop arguing between each other and/or calling each other out?

I’ve had a look for myself - neither Tony Mowbray nor Mark Venus are currently involved with any property companies and haven’t been for a significant period of time. The ones they have been in add up as quite normal for professionals in football to invest in. The company you posted ‘Mark Venus’ has nothing to do with Mark Venus and is operating in the Seychelles.

These copy and pastes are almost impossible to believe - can I suggest you screen shot them?

Yeah - it’s worth different things to different people. To a housing developer the land is worth 150M in revenue. If you want to buy it to build a football academy there will be a different value on the land. Essentially, the option to rebuy the land will never be there again because it’s worth hundreds of millions of pounds more to a developer than it is to a football club.

I’m not bothered about us losing money on building it, although as you say it makes no sense. I’m concerned what happens when we’re (hopefully) back in the Premier League and nobody says “the training centre isn’t big enough - we need to move the academy elsewhere” and all the local land is worth hundreds of millions of pounds and we don’t want to pay that. Before you know it we’ve swapped two sites half a mile between each other for two sites 4 miles away from each other.

150M? They’re selling the land, not developing the houses themselves. They’ll be lucky to get 20M from knocking down the STC and selling the land. I could accept it if it was 150M.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4641548/

Because you’ve spent 6 months compensating for the injured knee is the short story.

I’m no physio but I believe if the lower leg has a certain lack of movement it can only be ACL. You need the MRI to confirm it, but it’s always the case.