Yeah and now Batth isn't available who is just as important as those 2.Our other 2 centre backs looks half the players without him in there This happens every season.Even the last 3 games...we haven't won away in 11 matches against newly promoted sides,Struggles at home v Stoke and Hull City struggling at the bottom under Eustace, hammered off Swansea under Lowe.Our team coming up short in important games is not new I'm not saying ismael is the answer or was the right appointment I don't think he was but The things people are saying now where being said about Eustace last season....Eusless ...yes man...doesn't have a clue.He has had 4 games and results had taken a downturn previous to his appointment

4 wins in 12 before ismael came in.Results had taken a downturn. Fact. Add to that Defence looks a lot poorer without Batth.

Iv been dissapointed with Ismael so far But be fair a little bit here results had gone down well before he came, after the 6 match winning run results took a downturn, zero points in the last 3 games is clearly not good enough but there has been a lot of individual errors Pears and Hyam being the main culprits.Ismael wasn't coming into a squad brimming with confidence despite our position in the table. The 6 match winning run is what put ys in playoff contention and the closest teams around us at the time showed poor form which led to us staying in the top 6 for so long. Batth,Beck ,Brittain all part of that defence all missing Saturday. Batth is proving a huge miss Ridiculous to give him the length of contract we did and we should have been way more ambitious, il give him the next couple of weeks to work on things and hopefully key men Batth and Beck will be back .

I'm not impressed either but Batth is a huge miss from the defence. Our better defensive displays came with Brittain ,Batth Hyam and Beck.Only one of those is playing today.

He has been called up to the under 21s so presumably Tuchel just hasn't picked him rather than listening to Crystal Palace request

Glasner asked for him not to be called up when it was put to him after they played Aston Villa.Said he will get many caps for England, but on this occasion hoped sense would prevail and he would be left out of this on as still building his fitness up

He looked scared in the games he has started, but fair enough he hasn't had much of an opportunity If Eustace was still here I don't believe he would have put him out of the team for Toth to come in , if Pears had made the same mistakes as he has done under Ismael and v Swansea Blame should be put at the feet of the person/people who decided to sign Toth.

Things haven't been working well before Ismael came in,look at our points return. Not convinced 3 at the back is the answer ,and I'm really disappointed In the 11 he has picked but let's not pretend results were good before Ismael came in.What was it 2 wins in the last 12 for Eustace, then won a couple under Lowe before being turned over by Swansea

Ohashi or Dennis should be starting. Presumably the reason for Tronstad not starting is due to only being back from injury, any other reason then Ismael needs his head testing . Poor line up and no confidence we will get anything, I hope I'm proved wrong Toth must be terrible if he cant get a look in after Pears woeful form last few weeks

No but his body language is saying the same. Plus his best season at Championship level came under Ismael. Player has a bad game...it must mean he doesn't like the new manager

I suggest you watch this Quite clear Brittain wasn't dissapointed with Ismaels appointment. No doubt il get a reply saying "what's he supposed to say". Brittain is speaking truthfully in this interview

They sacked him when they were 5th ,8 points off 2nd in February. They finished the season 10th and many more points than 8 behind 2nd. Coberan who they loved didn't get them promoted either after Bruce.

They ain't achievements. But people are saying things like "Ismaels awful record " and "did shit in his other jobs" .Results in all his jobs over here and at Besiktas were not awful.Im not assed about style of play.Judging him on results alone at his last 4 jobs, it isn't an awful record

During the run from December to when he was sold Wharton was a shining light?I disagree our midfield was being overrun. He had played well but not outstanding up to that,he always had that class but it wasn't like he was dominating games regularly We will have to agree to disagree, I have said we might have got a few million more but not the 5 or 10 million some are making out.And the outrage that he is now being linked with £70 million moves when it's him proving himself in the prem that has him being strongly linked with big clubs

Wharton was poor like the rest of the team in the main last season.So no I don't think another 6 months playing for a relegation threatened side and not winning many matches would have led to much more money being put down for him. The top clubs if they liked him would have been in at the price we sold him for in January. They had scouts watching him ,it wasn't just Palace who knew we needed money if those clubs believed he was a generational talent they would have paid the fee.They ain't going to be paying 5 or 10 million more 6 months down the Line

They will do what they did last summer bring in older players on 1 year deals use our loans and sign 1 or 2 for an initial fee not exceeding £1 million. It's going to be interesting what they do with Brittain, Travis, Tronstad and Hyam(we have a year's option which we will activate) 4 players who would have interest from other clubs that the club can get a fee for. Let's be realistic they ain't signing new contracts here ,the club will have left them get into their final year if we don't sell them in the summer it will be Rothwell, Nyambe, Lenihen and Brereton all over again. If they decide to sell them the money will dissappear

Nearly 100% sure you were calling Eustace a yes man when he came in last season. Ismael has been here for 2 games ffs.

Iv said previously that I think he is worth more and I thought a lot more clubs would be in for him... And if he was being judged only on his technical ability then at the price we sold for Top clubs would have been in for him ahead of Palace. They all looked at him and only Palace came in. Just my opinion that clubs in the Premier league were unsure about parts of his game ,same as England as didn't get selected till under 19 and a year playing regular for us didn't even lead to an England under 21 call up I don't disagree that we shouldn't have sold him and it's a disgrace we had to sell him so early to keep the lights on.The part I disagree with is we would have had bids of many more millions if we waited until the summer. I agree he is better than Mainoo

I agree he shouldn't have been sold in the January but his agents and the lad himself probably would have wanted to move up a level In the summer. We might have got £20 instead of 18 guaranteed as it would have been the same sort of clubs in for him.The top clubs could have bought him in January for the price Palace bought him for they weren't going to be coming in 6 months later bidding many millions more

It isn't our job to find an upgrade on Pears, we ain't employed by the club to identify players. There are plenty of goalkeepers around that wouldn't make the errors Pears does.

The comments are "anyone with 2 eyes can see how good he is".So why wasn't he being included for the national squads then? Facts are he was available for 18 million after playing a year of Championship football any of the big clubs could have bought him then. But they didn't so they where going to come in in the summer and pay many millions more.They wouldn't have

Not from the championship over the years a handful of young players his age have moved up for a similar or higher fee. Il be clear I think he is top class and believe we should have had clubs fighting over him and paying more it's just my opinion that although plenty looked the bigger teams for sure felt he was missing something. Because if they saw what we saw they would have been in for him along with Palace in the January It's like comparisons with Scott he was England under 21 regular and am sure he captained them and a regular for Bristol two full seasons, Archie Gray had represented England from under 15 and then every age group including under 21s, he was also playing for Leeds who operate towards the top of the table and was getting mentioned in the media and talked up way more than Wharton. Wharton is a better player than both but Wharton had been playing a year of regular championship football but didn't get a call up which points to him not being as rated externally

If there had been another 10 minutes left in the first half we would have scored again but once the teams went inside for half time Eustace steadied them and we had no clue how to get on top and create any decent chances Too early to judge Ismael yet but he definitely hasn't had a reaction from the player's. Going off Brittains interview the other week he was one that seemed happy with his arrival and then goes out and gives probably his worst performance of the season Our results had dropped off under Eustace aswell let's be fair ,we only stayed in the top 6 for so long due to the teams closest to us boro and West brom having poor results aswell If we were to somehow get 6 points in the next 2 games a chance we be back in the top 6 or within a point or two of it with the other fixtures the teams above us have ,well you would expect Coventry to beat Derby but West Brom and Bristol City have tougher fixtures on paper over the 2 games left before the international break .No confidence we will get 6 points We need Batth and Beck back.Has anything been said about a return date?

Pears is absolutely woeful but Whalstedt beats him .At least we have seen Pears have some good games and make some good saves I'd love to think that we would be considering going in for Kaminski if Luton go down but it what will happen is Toth will go back to Hungary and we will sign another foreign goalkeeper for pennies and he will be number 2 to Pears Either Nixon said it or I read it on here but supposedly Benson is the one who finds the goalkeepers if there is any truth to that he should have no involvement next time or whoever did push for Whalstedt and Toth shouldn't be anywhere near finding another keeper for us.

Archie gray was a couple of years younger than Wharton when he started playing for Leeds,and Leeds would have been at the top end of the division,plus his family history would have been taken into consideration. And if he barely played for the under 21s then it was more than Wharton who didn't get selected once. At the end of the day he was available for 18.5 if the likes of city Liverpool arsenal etc had any interest they would have been in for him then. We where struggling last season ,he had played well enough for 12 months ,I don't see what would have changed in the next 6 months with him playing at the same level for a struggling team that would have led to much more money being put on the table for him, and it would have been similar clubs in for him your palace's evertons etc