And yet, £30 to watch Sheff Weds (or £27 in the cheap seats) if you rock up at the window before the game sounds even worse. You can watch Man City in the Champions League football for £30! The idea that planning ahead to avoid the club imposed surcharge “saves you money” is exactly the kind of response Waggott is hoping for. But while you are here, do you want to buy my bridge?

You aren’t really have representative example though. Rovers could increase the price of a season ticket by £100 every season and you would not only pay it, and defend the club, but would tell others to stop complaining. It’s no wonder a 100% increase is nothing to you. “It’s only £3” “it’s only £5”. But even the surcharge isn’t only £3. It’s saying Foxtrot Uniform to anyone who didn’t put Rovers as their first priority of the week. Is it any wonder some fans are saying the same back?

The problem with a surcharge is that it’s punitive. Many of our non-attending fans (not all) are already brassed off with the club for the way they were treated. The club needs to be removing barriers for fans to return, taking away the excuses, not creating new ones. Blackburners are a principled people and will happily cut off their nose to spite their faces if their nose slighted them. However, they will come back if they are made to feel wanted. We can all argue about the pricing levels that have been set but surely we can agree that the surcharge is just unnecessary.

It was a rut though. We were never going any higher than mid table under Bowyer. When the money ran out and players were sold it was only a matter of time before we were in a relegation battle. My thoughts on Lambert are well documented on here and few agree. However the problem was not Lambert but who they replaced him with. Much like Allardyce before him. We seem to have a steady manager followed by a bonkers one. So we are due...

Putting a positive spin on the Coyle appointment - ha! We were fortunate to be relegated when we were as the three who fell were the strongest in L1. But surely if you are going to look at it like that you should recognise the “good” that Lambert did because he sold Rhodes without too much grumbling from the terraces, because fans believed there was a plan. As I expect did Lambert. I know a lot on here were quietly (and some less quietly) delighted when Jordan was pushed out of the club. Presumably you also now “see what Kean was trying to do” and recognise the prescience of his “sometimes you have to take a step backwards to take one forwards”? We only look stronger now because we were the second best team in L1, better than fourth place by some distance, and we’ve had that bounce. Yes, Mowbray has been loyal to his L1 first XI - almost to a fault - and that has steadied us but the reason things look rosier are because we’ve stopped thinking about the enormous debt. More seasons like this one and we will start hearing talk of stability and be back in the rut we were under Bowyer.

Rotherham playing in a kit that looks like they’ve realised their blue clashes with Rovers’ blue but they’ve forgotten their change strip so had to wear yellow bibs to try to cover up!

C’mon Matty. This is what we’ve been asking for! The away end seeming desolate plays into our hands. Money from away fans and the advantage to Rovers fans.

The trip to Pune is a very bad example to try to back up your point and discussion will re-open a lot of old wounds that should be left alone.

Let’s not pull at that thread, Paul.

Bit of an unnecessary yellow card that. The ref was so officious all match. His first booking after 3 minutes set the tone and a ridiculous yellow for a great block tackle (both players going in hard but fair) was a nonsense. All you had to do was fall over under pressure to satisfy that whistle-happy fool. I bet his real job involves a clipboard and high viz vest.

I was willing him to shoot when he got through. Just pull the trigger!

I wouldn’t. The Leeds crowd has increased the average after only a few games.

Agree with the sentiment but most players will come of badly when compared to Duff. Bellamy and Hoilett, maybe Chapman Mk1 are probably closest in a blue-and-white shirt. Brereton needs to bulk up significantly and to use his strength like a Jason Roberts or a Danny Graham. He doesn’t appear to be particularly quick so he isn’t going to get people out of their seats with his play and needs to start finding the net. He won’t do that with Mowbray playing him out wide. Yes, he may drift wide to make space to run into but if Dack or Armstrong are occupying the space in front of him then so are opposition defenders. He looks to have good feet and is happy to run at defenders rather than past them. He’ll look to make himself a chance to shoot from but right now he looks a long way off the first team. Right now I’d sooner use that spot to accommodate Rothwell.

QPR fans being in the upper tier worked a treat. Miles away from the pitch and the officials. Was that just because of the firework logistics or is that a permanent feature? It’ll be disappointing but par for us to go back to handing out lower tier tickets.

Well that’s not quite the same as offering us £10m for promotion this season. “Here’s £10m we’ll give you more in January and next Summer so no need to worry about committing all to deals.”? Not sure how that works. If anything happened to Venkys finances and we couldn’t pay the rest of it because we didn’t put it aside.

I went glass half full with my maths. Your way just makes it even more damning. 13k averages it is then and the wave of momentum we gave to the club last season has been thrown back in fans faces.

Agreed. That phrase isn’t going to attract new fans, it’s aimed squarely at lapsed and floating fans. £15 per game (assuming 12 matches) isn’t a ‘good deal’ and will probably put paid to there being many (if any) £10 walk on games. To make that “look like” value walk-ons will need to be £20 minimum. Venkys must love Waggott though - a friend of the fans he is not. He’s playing hardball and looks to be determined that any crowd size increases will be on his terms. He probably has words ringing in his ears from several of the fans forum that “if the team is successful on the pitch then fans will come, it was ever thus” and has taken that as the mantra. Without Mowbray there would be a very different outlook from fans towards the current regime. I wonder how many young Rovers fans will develop a chemical inhaling addiction after having a cartoon character grinning down at them in the family stand? Not an approach I’d have expected from a 2-time family club of the year.

If that was the remit then we have definitely wasted 70% already. The only way the maths adds up is if we cash in on Dack.

If it wasn’t already a done deal, nobody would be suggesting we go up to £7m to keep him here beyond January. Not on the strength of what we have seen so far.

Thanks a lot gents.

Don’t flatter yourself!

Chaddy, don’t reply!

Thanks. I found the LT one but not the Bury Times link.

Incredible @renrag. Do you know if much was publicised about William Hargreaves?

Cheers @blueboy3333