Don't be silly he'd still score more than anybody else if the formation suited but wouldn't fit how Mowbray wants to work now. What i was pointing out quite clearly is we had Rhodes then replaced him with DG but now there is no out and out striker or target man in the squad. We need one. Armstrong will get goals but last night highlighted the difference between someone like him or a Rhodes/Graham.

Yep it's not boxing nobodies scoring points for passes connected. What's happened last 2 games is a constant theme we can't see tight games out and we go behind we nearly always lose. These are the things that need ironing out and what the new possession based game was supposed to help with. Plus we need a proper striker, Rhodes, Graham...... Arma is not that man.

My guess is that's the way he's being coached, possession based remember. It's evident throughout the team.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing though isn't it.

Harper, Payne are another two, parent clubs were Prem clubs at the time and world away from where we were. Our very own BB can surely be filed under that as well.

We've had several highly rated young lads from top clubs under TMs watch, only one who paid off was Tosin - a defender.

Evans has made a career of not picking out passes like that but playing safety 5 yard ones instead. Now he's getting very sloppy at even that, Johnson has now had a season and a bit of learning '''''the rovers way' ie probably being told not to pick out these passes but play it safe. Be criminal if they don't make the use of this lads talents but lets be honest it won't be the first time we've had a so called wonder kid wasted here.

He's had the standard old school management cycle now so this season will tell us all we really need to know ( think we already know tbh ). 3rd Champ season in a row, constant backing in the windows to build his squad, big money buys, players for present and future signed. Now it's time to see if indeed it is on the right lines or still just a steady hand on the tiller. Everything stands at his door now and buying time will not wash anymore and at some point upstairs it probably won't either. Unless they embark on a cash grab back sales push that is.

Lots of variables this year thrown into n the mix. Wouldn't normally say it but approaching Christmas is the time to see were we are at this season. Falling well short or struggling then no ifs buts or maybes he should be put out to grass. Because in that scenario it's likely to be a season wasted so might as well look to the future.

The tinkermon is set to tinker. Some might say that is at least half the problem.

Same things are evident all the time it doesn't matter who he signs, who's available or isn't or how big the squad. The same things get done over and over the one constant is the manager. It's how he'll always do things.

Never going to be our night, might as well just shut up shop now.

Lenihen has shone at times but in the grand scheme of things he's overated vastly by us i conclude. Becoming a regular weak link.

Groundhog day x 10

He'd never have got 16 grand per week anywhere else over the last few years that's for sure. About TM finally saw through him and drew a line under it.

New players bedding in blah blah, same ones who weren't going to play anyway blah blah Just knew this was going to happen. Plenty time yet though, probably end up 4-3 to them.

There was the tale by a few witnesses that Dack turned up one matchday looking like he'd just rolled out of a hedge. Told he wasn't fit to play so he either was sent home or stormed off. Around the time he was having one of his domestic spats. Can't be having stuff like that interfere with the team so got to back the manager although the Graham thing sounds a bit daft. Probably a case of the boy who cried wolf with him though.

I just want to see him/us have a real go at it. Said the same last season but even more so now they've nothing to lose, if you're going to land in midtable anyway at least do so after trying to get into the top 6 not just trying to tread water and hope for a marginal gain. If we fall short we fall short but enough of the self preservation stuff please.

Souness was another who had his favs i remember him shunting Lucas Neil around at one point just to have him on the pitch. Just a bit grim when you feel you have to leave out some of the better players just to get a bit of respect and prove a point because ultimately it's the team that suffers. Hit them in the pocket instead and get them in for extra training and threaten breach of contract if they refuse. It shows a bit more balls than just dropping them then probably using a line 'we are trying something else today son' when they know the real reason.

Absolute classic over thinking as usual there and some wonder why we still get strikers out wide and somebody else shoved up top who does jack shit. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just keeping everyone on their toes but echo the sentiment just get them in. They are already been talked of as good players they don't need to sit and learn anything just get them in. JUst the Dolan effect alone from some of them could get us 3 or 6 valuable points. Let the opposition bother about them instead.

Bit of tough love from Tony there, nowt wrong with that.

Yeah I do think there's a bit of that but there's no Tosin now to ping decent balls over Rarely worked anyway you need class and Gally is a long way from being the Champ version of Roque Personally I think it's more to do with his willingness to put in a few yards. Bad do when you've to spend so much just for that

He absolutely knows but he's lumbered himself with a 5 million pound dilemma.

Nagging feeling we are hitting another of our sticky patches it has a familiar feeling to it. Hit on something that works well and have a few wins then something forced or unforced crops up. Change it, hit the skids, no points, then go back to all out attack and a winning run again. Watford 1 Rovers 0

We'll go nowhere continually persisting with Gallagher in any sort of wide right role these are the fine margins. You just knew 100% bringing him on nothing was going to come of it. Needs to be in the middle attacking balls put in front of him to be any real threat. If you just want someone tracking back then at least put someone there who might just do something going forwards if there's chance. At 5 million quid though and probably 15-20k pwk everyone had better get used to it because it won't go away.