That'll be the line trotted back to India if indeed they ever bother to ask.

With TM it will be an eternal experimental phase because when he lands on something that works he still changes it after a game or two at most. Also has anyone ever seen a manager change things around in game so much ? It often worked .......in league 1.

On the evidence we have he might throw the sink at it for a game or two max then he'd reel it straight back in. As for them doing it well god knows where he'd throw what was given or where they'd instruct him he had to throw it ! For me it's the same as its been for ages BUY a couple of good centre backs and loan in a decent striker or two even if if costs short term wages. He/they do everything front to back then stand there shrugging their shoulders looking confused when it doesn't work. People moan the team has no spine well he's never bloody built one so it's no wonder.

I think plenty of good points in here that show there is no real collective desire around that squad or the club as a whole to have a go at finishing as high as possible this season despite the contradictory double eskimo rubbish spouted by the manager. You have to have a go every game and try and be on point all the time and that takes drive, desire and determination not just switching on and off according to opposition. We approach every game with what looks like trepidation not hunger. Everything just points to another plod along in the comfort zone, they don't want to lose but when they do it's no big deal just a shoulder shrug and the attitude 'we hope we can do better' next week. Yet again a lot of it for me comes from not having proper ownership or club directors who have it in their hearts and who are there close to the action and whilst not exactly meddling but might ask questions on a Monday morning why things are going the way they are after seeing what they see. Far too easy down there to keep glossing things over whilst everybody is on a decent screw. Not the realms of the Shagnew / Shebby, Kean / Anderson stitch ups but still a too cosy little number where they'll only have to go and explain themselves in a summer jolly up to Pune long after another season is wasted.

I think boring football should be a complaint don't you ? It's part of the reason the team is going nowhere and part of the reason the crowds are down so yes of course it's a genuine complaint if not exactly a sackable offence. Boring winning footballl now that's a different thing altogether. As for blip well he does have a habit of turning it around although i think it might be about to catch up with him this time like it did with GB, remember he changed style a little bit at the beginning of his last season and it didn't work. Overall though iv'e already said we'll never get anything different from Mowbray it's the way he works and always has he's a steady 1.5 ish pts a game over a season man no matter what his budget or players so yes long term i want a change but we might have to bite the bullet this season. To swap him before Jan for an upgrade i'm all for it but to sack him in the hope a Billy Davies or Adkins would come in now and light a fire under it is nonsense, imo of course. Just a repeat of the Lambert scenario awaits and that lead to Coyle and relegation....

There are some desperate names being chucked about on here yet i can't see how we are at that point things aren't that bad. Boring yes but change for the sake of change needs leaving to one side for now. What we need is a sensible upgrade hopefully brought about by some actual forward planning we are batting from a better position to the recent past now thanks to Mowbray so his work needs building on. Start sounding out some decent names and leave the scrapheap rummaging alone next time.

They are obsessed with size of club that lot it's like an illness but i suppose when you've a giant blue and white chip on your shoulder it weighs heavy after 100 odd years. Facts are facts and we all have our ups and downs and attendances/followings that ebb and flow with that so over that 100 odd years they are, always have been and always will be a bit smaller than us.....that is what bothers them because they know it. Dialogue with PNE fans on these subjects is like watching a Mowbray team it tries being dressed up different but it's the same thing over and over again. Let it go lads even Burnley have realised there is an upper limit to their small support these days now they are up in the gods after all their wind and piss of the 90's about 30k crowds if they were in Rovers position. In the grand scheme of things Preston are bigger than Wigan, marginally bigger than Blackpool and a bit smaller than Rovers and Bolton who are very very similar.

I don't think there is any real expectancy there or pressure just all the club and manager pulling in the right direction with a remit of just do as well as we possibly can week in week out and don't worry about anything else. Not the case here but it should be however it seems to be more about use as many players as ;possible, keep squad and manager happy, blood some youngster and get value in them and others, invest owners or whoevers spare change in players who might double in value in one good season etc and that's it. Other than following that pattern i don't think there is any real collective desire to achieve anything other than a few better places than last season and it reflects in selections, tactics and players attitude/work rate. Or of course Mowbray and his gang really aren't very good at what they are trying to do and the players are struggling with it because it doesn't suit them. Having said all that i still think he'll steer us to 12th and next season will be more of the same.

The money spent of Brereton was a constant source of amusement to my Preston acquaintances but now he's all but disappeared and there's another 5 mill been spent up front yet they nicked our no 1 defence target they are over the moon in orbit !!! Too a man they all say that kind of money on their squad would see them top 6. At the same time they are envious at the captures of Johnson and Hotlby and bitter at the wages we seem able to pay.

That's the root and branch of it all as usual but in this case he's had better backing than most under their tenure and he'd done ok to be fair but when you begin to wing it or you really aren't actually what you've been cracked up to be football finds you out, i think we are at that point. If Bowyer had been given 12 million to spend over a couple of summers or Lambert had got the Rhodes money he was promised instead of just the wages, strangely about the same amount would either have spent it better ? I 100% think so. But back to the Venky angle would they have been allowed to or would they have been prompted to push it in certain directions on certain players ? I still find it hard to believe Mowbray after what he said at the end of last season would turn a blind eye on investing in defence and blow it all on another wide striker....

He'd be slightly less unpopular than Coyle ! Another dour yesterdays man who's football belongs in the ark, Moysie likes a target man and we haven't got a proper one plus he's an agents stooge type.

Right now probably not but if we go on another howler of a run like last season i might change my mind. I don't think he'd suit here to be honest but i'd love a manager with a pair of balls bigger than a couple of raisins for a change.

Would Adkins and Pearson do it much different than TM though ? All from a similar mould imo. We need a Hughes type, get them solid but capable of playing a higher tempo week in week out and someone able to drain every drop out of each player and get them doing what they are best at not keep trying to get them doing something they can't.

A firm hand shake at the end of the season whether we finish 10th or 16th it is time for a fresh approach after he has got the club and squad in decent shape again. Too much of a comfort zone again here and the danger in that is they sack him out the blue like they did GB then it's up in the air again. Forward planning is the key and with the inside of the club and dressing room littered with his mates there's a danger of imploding so it needs doing properly this time similar to when Lambert left although a different set of circumstances obviously.

Groundhog day ..... Utter unadulterated shite from the start AGAIN this guy either holds them back through selections and tactics or he couldn't motivate a team of dry alki's about to be let loose in a brewery.

I didn't chuck him in because he's a bit different being smaller and a bit quicker he is actually one who fits what Mowbray tries to do simply because stuck wide he can knock it past people and he does cut inside and get goals. At 1.75 rising to maybe 3 mill personally i thought he was a decent buy no massive risk and there was a bit of thought behind it because they'd already had a look at him. If we'd bought Brereton for similar it wouldn't seem as crazy. The fixation with Samuel is odd though but predictable.

Because the gaffer is talking shite SG was probably brought in because he was known to the club and manger and they like him, he ticks a certain amount of boxes on and off the field, has the right agent and his price suddenly became affordable. Now they are trying to figure out what is best to do with him, classic Venky era Rovers transfer policy and classic TM approach to the forward lines. The shoehorn system.

Ten years ago when DG was a similar age he was banging goals in regularly for Carlisle then Watford so he had some pedigree for it. He's only become a good target man here in the last few years as he's aged and tailored his game to it alongside developing that understanding with Dack. Gallagher - and i like him - doesn't have that pedigree nor one as a target man he's done his best work at this level in his loan here a few years ago in a combo of wide striker ( not winger ) and up top. I fail to see any correlation as to why you'd pay big money for him with the intention of him replacing Graham right now. He's another who the manager is now fashioning the excuse of developing for a role yet not actually doing anything to develop him for that role. I'm sure in the medium term this lad can offer something but not in the present formation if he's going to be a main man things will have to be tailored to get the best out of him.

That's why our style only really suits an experienced genuine target man / poacher so why oh why has he not sourced something similar to that. He's been obsessed with wide strikers and it looked like he'd finally got one who would do the graft required in Gallagher even if there wasn't an end product, he's a tall centre fwd after all. Now he's talking about him replacing Graham yet at the same time changing style, surely he should sign players to fit the style or play a style or formation that suits what he now has, he does neither. When you are wanting to play Dack off someone and bring others into play also you need a good target man. If you are playing a tighter system without flair and don't create much whilst hoping for clean sheets you need a poacher who can snaffle the odd chance and also set piece specialists who can weigh in, again which is it here ? Neither it just seems mix and match, look to stop the opposition and pray it clicks or your better players just pull something out the bag. Preferably in a strong squad looking for a tilt at the top 6 you'd need a bit of everything up front. Aside from DG we now seem to have 3 other 'strikers' set to play wide who are almost identical. Gally, Samuel and BB, tallish but gangly not strong and no real goal scoring pedigree or look capable of being target men either. That's at a cost of a cool 13 millionish and probably anywhere from 30 to 40k pwk combined. Remind us about building a team again....

It looks like he's going to turn out to be another of those managers who's strengths are working on a shoestring with a tight knit small group of freebies, youngsters, modest money signings and loans. When it comes to spending big money or having a good budget and large squad he might be out his depth. No real surprise there though but perhaps he shouldn't be allowed to splash more than 2 million on one player at a time in future then his judgement might not be so skewed. If indeed it is his judgement.

Project stay in the job.

Another conspiracy ---- again based on some interesting evidence. Like iv'e alluded to many times at Rovers they seem to favour certain peoples clients on a regular basis it's no wonder they don't think outside the box at times on key signings.

That's because the owners/investers/stakeholders will have been sold that line when being convinced to ok the big fees, by who is anybodies guess.

It does makes you wonder what lurks on the books at BRFC that might add to these eye watering annual loses that never seem to cause much concern in India.

They can't cry about 300k with some of the deadwood that continues to get carried on the payroll never mind the money totally spewed on you know who.