roversfan99

Stuff like that cant be trusted. Just guesses and likely wide of the mark.

We dont know if they are the positions we want to sign players in, thats my point, although its right down the spine of the team which is not a difficult guess and also tells you a lot about how poor a summer we had. The question is a general and simple one. Yes I agree with them, the window was a good one. Or no I disagree, the window was a bad one.

Again, Armstrong was just an example. Point being, very rarely have they actively invested into the team, even under Mowbray, and investing for the purpose of ambition and trying to do our best shouldnt be confused with offsetting losses every year by raising share capital as every owner at this level is obliged to do to cover expenses being higher than income, notably even an aggressively slashed wage bill. It must be much easier though swallowing everything the club says without questioning. Why at that point where we so far off FFP limits? Was we so far off that we couldnt spend ANY of the Armstrong proceeds.

Youve certainly always been one to swallow everything you have been told by the club. The point was that the owners have consistently failed to invest in the club and them doing what every Championship owner has to do and offset losses should not be confused with anything resembling ambition or a want to do better.

Do you think it was a successful summer window as Gestede and Ismael seemed so keen to tell us? You seem to be assuming we will definitely sign all of these players but we dont know if we will even genuinely try. Dont hold your breath.

Championship clubs run at a loss. Therefore, owners have to offset those losses every year. Thats not to be confused with owners who put money in to improve the team. Also, surely after what we have seen since, you now realise it wasnt Mowbray who wasnt willing to give suitable new contracts to key players. They had that one season where we spent £10m but most summers we were scratching around. The last summer, we sold Armstrong and they turned the taps totally off. Its what they do regularly and thats my point. Lets stop pinning too much blame on individuals outside of Venkys/Suhail. Its been a consistent theme, and them offsetting losses shouldnt be seen as them pumping in money, its just a mandatory obligation.

But again, they have very rarely willingly "pumped in" money, before, during or after the court case and need for a guarantee. There has only been one year where they didnt need to put money in, but its an anomoly based on an academy graduate record sale, very atypical from what they usually HAVE to do just like all Championship owners and offset losses. Had Wharton not been who he was, they would still like every other year had to cover losses. I feel like your historical desire to often deflect blame away from the owners and onto various individuals is perhaps based on a misunderstanding regarding the money they raise via share capital each year. You once said that Mowbray had wasted £100m of funding over 5 years which sums up this misunderstanding.

I think the point was, why do we need so much when they kept telling us how great the summer window was. Not, name which positions we need (which positions you can echo Alan Nixon about).

It wasnt because of the guarantee. Its an easy excuse. They did the same with the Armstrong money.

Looking at the clip you showed, I dont think it looks as bad but yeah I am very surprised it wasnt abandoned.

The ball is at least moving a bit on that video, it was literally stopping dead in our game. Our game 100% could not continue.

Maybe not as bad, but there has been a consistent pattern of us faltering in the second half of the season under numerous managers because of the owners.

Its a Venkys style death spiral.

There will not be a warchest in January. Its been made more difficult for them to send money in the past. But they dont willingly send money anyway, and this seems to be misunderstood. Barring one year in which we had the one off sale of a record breaking academy graduate, they HAVE to send money every year to cover losses. Basically all Championship owners have to do the same. Expenses exceed income for clubs at this level, only difference now is they dont have to provide the same level of guarantee to do so.

But the supposed reason isnt logical, people are questioning it rather than agreeing and parroting it. We wont consider free agents because they wont be up to speed. So a bloke who we knew would be injured for months surely would also be a no go for the same reason.

You could ask Kenny Dalglish the same question.

So you expect that that there are great things to be said about the environment within a football club owned by Venkys (who couldnt be arsed showing up to our anniversary) and one being run by Suhail, Gestede and Owen? He will be talking about the club he remembers.

The pre pouring of drinks has been something mentioned over such a long period of time. Many people will just not bother having a pint at half time because of the queues, its impossible to avoid missing a chunk of either the first or second half. And it never seems to change.

The owners were the ones taking us down.

Theyve signed big money signings that need to work out, and in Isak and Wirtz, they are top players, hardly gambles who had scored loads in a lesser league or anything like that. The team you would think sooner rather than later needs to be built around them. It feels with the latter like they are trying to squeeze him in to a similar iteration of their previous template for a team. Theyve for a while been 433, had a hard working, selfless and energetic midfield and central striker with the 2 wide men providing the goal threat, which was pretty much all Salah once Mane left. As a result, he was excused from defending. Last season they pretty much played the same team every week, getting fortunate with injuries. To fully charge forward with a reset, I do wonder if Salah's role needs to reduce, hard while he is at the club, and/or they need a new manager to see it as a total change. They cant give Salah a responsibility free role on the right and give Wirtz time in his best position, I dont think. Leaves them too open.

Its incredible how for someone who moved on from annoyance at Eustace telling a white lie in a press conference "ages ago", it has been mentioned so many times whereas with 15 years of constant lies, barely a murmur.

He definitely is not shocking. I do have doubts about him, he is rash and has a mistake in him (see Bristol City away) and hes also not the best on the ball. I am sick of the throw too although obviously thats the managers responsibility. Im still not sure what his best position is, but there is something to work with. Celtic should coast to the league with the resources they have (even allowing for the fact they have spent less this season) and likely will now a big chunk of toxicity has gone, Hearts starting well got people giddy but they likely will revert to the mean. Rangers should be more competitive but theyve totally wasted so much money, mainly on crap from England.

The club ie the owners and board were at fault for far more than that.

I get that but to say that its purely a footballing decision when youve got a potential big pay increase and a location change is blatantly untrue. As a football decision I think you can make an argument either way. At Wolves, its guaranteed instant Premier League football, the only way he gets that. Expectations are very low, he wont get loads of blame if they go down. If he pulls off survival, and Burnley and Leeds are in danger, hes a miracle worker. Assuming they go down, theyd be big favourites, big resources and a good chance of then gaining some momentum. If he got sacked before then, it wont damage his reputation too much if at all. At Boro, they are fighting with a lot of teams for a top 2 place. Couldnt say its a likelihood they go up, less than 50% chance for sure. Play offs is more likely, and is obviously a lottery. Gets them up either way, big reputation boost but they arent a stand out team so I would say more chance they dont and his reputation is unchanged. He is bitter about Eustace because its the only way to divert blame away from the real culprits because he doesnt want to criticise the club.

None of that explains why it is ONLY a footballing decision and he shouldnt consider non footballing factors.