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Are you sure?

Certainly doesnt help. Although our defenders individually are poor anyway which compounds it. McLoughlin is a squad player at best, Miller is even worse.

I obviously know Gestede doesnt go out scouting the players. I never said that he did. Even back in Ferguson's era, he would have had scouts. I never said that. We will have limited our managerial search to desperados like Ismael because managers wont want crap players put before the. They wont want dickhead novices like Gestede being at the head of the recruitment operation, or demands put on them regarding how to play, how many youngsters need to play etc. The manager should be able to choose as he should be best placed to decide. Ismael might have decided between x and y but I can only imagine how bad some of the lists of players will have been. Tomasson was the same and got publically frustrated by it. I remember him saying when we had a self inflicted block on transfers that he had said yes to loads of people that hadnt arrived, suggesting that he was just desperate for bodies at that point. Im guessing you are happy with Gestede being in the position he is and with the structure of Gestede and Ismael. I do understand how many modern day football clubs are setup. I DISAGREE that it necessarily makes total sense all of the time for them to run like that even if it modern day fashion.

We have had some bad defences in the last 15 years. I dont think any have been as bad as this one.

Its incredible how picky chaddy is with whether to interrogate people for the source of information. Suhail has gone for big talks, wheres that from. Whereas if Portsmouth commentators say that Cantwell is in contract talks, yeah ill take that as true.

It wont. For years, people have taken these issues as the owners proactively investing in the club, expecting transfer business. They are merely to cover the losses incurred. Other Championship owners do the same.

Exactly. I find it strange in general how football clubs often seem to be run backwards. It should be the manager that decides on how he wants his team to look like, but that seems to now get decided by people far less qualified to be making such decisions. Thats really paramount here. The manager is bad because a manager with a good reputation wont work under these conditions. Recruitment is overseen by novices who dont know how to build a squad to win matches, further compounded by an objective to slash the wage budget. End result, bad manager + bad squad = at the other side of the table and likely to go down.

I do understand. I am adopting critical thinking in asking whether that is the best way to run a football club. A manager will always come out and say what a new player will bring, regardless of how much involvement they had. I have always thought that many clubs are run backwards and ours is a great example of that. We forced good managers to quit. We have ended up with a shit manager because it has to be someone who will accept having poor players put upon them etc. We have a novice heading up our recruitment, and have signed loads of shit this season. That formula will probably take us from 7th to relegation in a season. In your head, if you question these structures, you simply dont understand. Be aware, you can understand the structure and still think its wrong or criticise it. You cant surely think the way this club is set up makes sense. The burden of proof isnt on me to disprove Wagner being in the "final 2."

Have you heard of a rhetorical question? Its clearly not true, Portsmouth commentators wouldnt know that. Use critical thinking.

And considering he has never scored a single goal at this level, thats say a lot.

The "direction of travel" was to get someone in who willingly will accept cheap crap from poor foreign leagues, selected by a novice, to replace key players purely to get the wage bill down. Whatever happened to just appointing the best manager available and recruiting based on what he wants. Wagner seemed to be just a rumour. Whoever we appointed was probably doomed to failure although he cant have done much worse than Ismael.

How would they know that?

A "proper manager? Could have fooled me.

Embarassing as expected. We look nailed on to be in League 1 next season. Manager is crap, admittedly he has a piss poor squad to pick from, although apparently was key in endorsing and getting these wastes of space. But picked the wrong team, made initial subs too late and seemingly with the last 2 subs felt obliged to make all 5. Few players deserve a special mention. De Neve would struggle in the Conference, right up there with the worst I have seen in the shirt, similar to Gueye who summed himself up with that offside at the end. Miller is absolute crap and probably gets away with it amidst the other shit around him. His idiocy led to the spell of pressure that led to the third. The whole defence is diabolical, McLoughlin should not be starting regularly, not very good. Tavares beside good work in the lead to the goal again was what he always is. Laxadasical, sloppy and with a token pitiful shot like he always does.

Not bothering with a midfield today?

I dont think I am the one who is being naive to suggest that money is still important to people earning well above an average wage.

I think Waggott was a poor CEO. I think Mowbray was an ok manager who did a decent job, but certainly had a number of flaws. I think Anderson was a leech and out of the 4 certainly have the most disdain for, he cant be compared to managers/executives/board members (bar maybe Suhail). And I think Coyle was a dreadful manager. I dont think they shouldnt all be judged on what they have done at the club. I just am not naive enough to think that the architecht of our downsizing is anyone but the owners. I think your deflection of blame away stems around your warped logic about how "their financial clout" impacts us. They merely offset the losses every year by raising share capital or debt. The same as all Championship owners, none of then have a choice. Norwich, Swansea, Preston, QPR, the list goes on although i doubt their fans praise them for it. You seem to view it as if at the start of the year, they go heres £20m see what you can do with this.

Ive never said that they shouldnt be criticised. But you have historically deflected from the owners. It isnt in my head as lots of other people have pointed it out over the years. If Waggott was the "architecht" of the downsizing, and what has happened since his departure was because of his work. What happened for over 7 years before he was appointed? If your argument is that the owners dont care and want to pass the blame away to people closer to home. Then surely Suhail would be the architecht, having been here before, during and after Waggott and with seemingly more power.

Im not convinced he would have taken Boro up either way. And certainly, I dont think he would have then attracted a bigger club. I think theres a naivety though about the fact that football management is still a job. They wouldnt do it for free and wont be so flippant about money just because "they arent short of money."

A big contract paid up and having to do nothing for it. Not a bad consolation prize.

I knew you loved to deflect from the owners but I didnt realise your views are so ludicriously extreme. You will struggle to explain what was going on and why we was so shoddily run and why we was downsizing continiously for over 7 years prior to his appointment.

Do football managers do their jobs purely for enjoyment? Or is money not the main reward?

I am looking forward to seeing us recover then similar to how healthy we were in the Venkys years before he arrived. To say that he specifically is the architecht of the downsizing of this club is absolutely ludicrious even for you. He may well have played a small part in enabling it but come on.

Venkys are the downsizing architecht of our destruction and it began well before Waggott came in. Yet more baffling deflection.

Was a general comment about the state of football. Specific to World Cups, also consider expanding the tournament diluting the quality for a money grab and selling out to countries with shameful human rights records.