I guess if clubs are stupid enough to keep giving him jobs because of his name as a player then you keep taking the money. But management doesn't seem right for him, probably more suited to being a pundit, albeit he was hardly the best at that.

Laughable.

4 from 4. At least he knows the club and might win the Champions League.

So Buckley deserved his?

We will sell out I am sure, but yes, people will pick and choose especially in a cost of living crisis and with the game moved for TV.

They are but a footballers career is much shorter and earning more within that time can transform the life the player and their family live for the rest of their life.

You slag players off when they go for more money and say that they shouldn't move for massive pay rises...

There would be no reason for that money to at least be partially available. If it was essential for FFP or cash flow reasons, they would have taken whatever they could get. With Venkys, it is genuinely an uncertainty which feeds into the knowledge that they don't run the club in a logical manner.

Fair enough. So as I thought, random bits of gossip and Tomasson suggesting that he isnt as good off the ball as on it.

Do we know why he was dropped exactly? Tomasson hinted at it but he certainly didn't specifically say what he had done wrong.

Tomasson may rate Morton higher than Wharton. His judgement is not going to be perfect, he decided to play Clinton Mola against Burnley.

Theyll also likely have to pay Dele Alli off as Lampard for some reason decided to sign him against all logic. Tom Cannon would presumably come back into the thinking.

Copy and paste.

Been a lot of pissing around in the recruitment department over the last few years with staff coming and going so hard to see this as a new dawn until the actual recruitment improves. This season its not improved or changed (borrowing kids including a token one from Liverpool, players on Mowbray's list and players already known to staff ie Thomas and windows that were as much about what we didnt get and paperwork embarassments) and with seemingly a closed wallet in the summer, time for Kimberley and Broughton to show what they can offer.

In those first 2 seasons, it wouldn't be sparing anyones blushes who said that he couldnt do the basics. He couldnt. But he didnt go from that player instantly to a Chilean international and regular goalscorer. He had a full season inbetween where he really improved, he scored 7 or 8 goals and was part of a very threatening front 3. He would have certainly justified a pay rise and I don't see why he wouldn't have accepted it, he wouldn't have generated too much interest at that stage but was settling into life as a competent Championship attacker. But even then, assume the nonsensical argument that there would have been uproar had we signed him up. Or put it down to Covid. Or assume he wouldnt have accepted it. We had a chance this summer to make a profit on him despite that inability to tie him down to a new deal. We compounded our mistake (the owners did) by turning that down based on an unrealistic asking price. And yes, maybe he would have turned moves down to Nice, a top French side with plenty of well known, English speakers and playing in European competition. Or Everton and Fulham, both Premier League sides. If he rejected them all, then whilst you can criticise the inability to give him a new deal 2 years ago, they have some leeway at least on preventing this mess we have.

Some cretinous comments underneath here would make you think the fans are creating an impossible environment to play football in. Why a section of our fanbase seem desperate to put our supporters down so much is bizarre.

If you need to be a clairvoyant to be proactive in protecting assets, then most football clubs employ clairvoyants and we need to get looking for some.

Onana would get them some good money, Belgian international midfielder linked with Chelsea mid-season. Calvert-Lewin may even allowing for his injuries.

It is a different conversation altogether had he rejected a new deal AND any potential move elsewhere. As it is, Venkys batted bids out of hand, therefore the blame lies there. That second line keeps getting trotted out but it is in no way a justification. It is an equally nonsensical defence as random people potentially moaning. Gallagher got a new deal without being as an important an asset (no signs of improvement and nowhere near as young) and although it wasn't met with universal acclaim, that gets blown away instantly. An asset was protected, forget the outside noise. The thing I am asking for is not to allow players to run their deals down, but to sell if necessary and reinvest a %. Not even all of it, just a decent chunk of it. We didn't NEED that money for sustainability purposes otherwise we would have sold Brereton regardless of inaccurate perceptions about what we perceived his worth to be. We would have taken what we could get and swallowed it up. He should have been given a new deal after his season of noticeable improvement to protect the asset, prior to last season. Having failed to do so, we HAD to take what we could get.

I said that at the latest, 12 months before. Obviously Brereton wouldn't have attracted bids at that point. But he could and indeed did generate £8.4m in an offer. The only reason we needed to do that again down to the lack of planning from the owners down. Piss poor running of the club pissing money away. With the Brereton sale, there WOULD 100% have been scope to reinvest some. There had to be, because it was money we now dont have, so it would have been an additional sale to what has happened. So even if we sold for £8.4m and then reinvested £5-6m, we would be in a financially better position now.

There is just no joined up thinking. I am saying that there SHOULD always be part of any sale to reinvest, that is the whole model we should be following yet because we keep letting players leave for free, we end up not reinvesting when we do sell a player. There needs to be a total change in thinking. It is best to sell in summers to ensure we can replace players every time and to avoid de-railing seasons by selling players in the middle. Start discussions with longer than 2 years left, and sell either in the summer with 2 seasons left or with no exceptions at the latest with 1 season to go. Then ALWAYS reinvest a chunk of that, and you can keep a small percentage for sustainability purposes. If you want £15m and you can only get £10m, take the £10m and reinvest £7m for example, NEVER let them get into that final year. I am wasting my breath, Venkys wont change 12 years in. Rich Sharpe said that the player pictured was on behalf of a sponsor. That Coco doesn't seem like he will help with our lack of goals.

We failed to bring one in this January due to incompetence.

You don't want to be selling players mid season with 18 months left on their deal. Surely you would wait until the following summer. You would want to be opening discussions before they have 2 years left. Better than our current policy with players who are not easy to tie down. Let their contracts run down, reject any bid that isn't really high, and being left scrounging for frees and loans.

18 months would be a strange limit because then you get into the habit of selling players mid season. 12 months should be the baseline, but if it is clear even 2 years before, or a player is really attracting serious interest at high prices, then you sell and reinvest.

I can't fathom how it would be anything but totally beneficial to go up. We would be up against it to stay up, but it would be a huge boost to get promotion both on and off the pitch. It could potentially increase our match going fan base, it would massively improve our finances and would give us an opportunity to sign some players that even if we did come back down, they would be huge improvements on what we currently have. It would break this psychological feeling that we will never return to the Premier League, or even get close. And of course, it wouldn't be impossible to stay up, there are some poor teams at the bottom of the Premier League. Big if, but manage the summer right and maybe we can have a right good go at staying in the league. If not, we should have a top Championship squad ready to bounce back. We go from Championship also rans to a team expecting to get back into the Premier League. The idea of kicking on next season doesn't really tally up IMO. Our only goalscorer will be leaving for free and we will be scrounging around for freebies and loanees, this slow build idea doesn't really work.