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Tomasson would never come back here. I feel like as a manager, he isnt suited to a dogfight anyway, although in terms of the likely "alternatives" he is a much better proposition. He seemed to struggle at times last time with big personalities, at least that isnt a problem anymore. Hughes is only mentioned because he used to manage us 20 years ago. Would be a shocking appointment, last 2 jobs at Bradford and Carlisle where he is currently not excelling in non league. Gerrard isnt a good manager, that would be just based on name. People like Rowett, Wagner, Cifuentes and Bilic fall into the category of underwhelming but all probably have some merit to them. People like Chris Coleman, Karanka and Lee Bowyer fall into desperate options we can fear but would really sum the club up. Stay away. Hopefully there are more credible alternatives not initially mentioned. Whether we could get them is another question. And forget giving it to Johnson. The focus should be on getting the best manager as soon as possible, if he wins 1 or 2 in the meantime (tomorrow should be a certainty, Sheffield Wednesday are not competitive) then fantastic. This idea of appeasing the fan base too. The fan base is already fractured and toxic regardless of the manager. But we all give a manager a chance and ultimately you win (most) people over with good results, not big names, who you played for or whether youve been here before.

I remember saying many times why this head coach nonsense in modern football is counter productive. Players picked by people unqualified to do so and given to the head coach rather than letting him have sole autonomy to decide who he wants and doesnt want. We are an extreme and particularly dysfunctional case obviously, but every February we are left looking for a new manager and with a squad not fit for purpose.

Youve done well to bring Mowbray into it. Duff wouldnt be mentioned if he didnt play for us. And Johnson shouldnt be given the job. We need someone with some sort of decent track record.

Obviously in isolation (overall its not the important thing) its fantastic to see a terrible manager leave. Mind you, I am not convinced it was purely the clubs decision. Hence mutual termination. Even someone who seemed so "aligned" presumably has had enough of the shit players thrown his way. Under no circumstances should we give it to Johnson until the end of the season, even if he wins a game or 2.

Another disaster of a January window that leaves us ill equipped for a relegation fight. Especially in forward areas. This weird obsession with prioritising players who play 2 formations has actually left us short whichever way we play. Yet still with players who will be embarassingly deregistered. The squad is bloated yet inadequate. Cashin has looked useful in the last 2 games but we didnt need a short left footer who can play left back. Jorgensen has looked poor so far and Afolayan hasnt played in ages. They will hope that the Ismael news covers it up but it shouldnt.

Im guessing that Ismael has his pre match press conference today so we can find out then that there will be no striker coming in.

Elliott Jackson also seems to think its less likely that we get Cadamarteri so seems like we could have the most predictable of January deadline day failures.

They arent backing him in terms of a competitive Championship wage structure though. I suspect we have at best broken even on fees. Not in any way a defence of a terrible manager.

If these "reports" are in the public domain then I have certainly never seen them. I cant believe considering where we are now that people are still willing to credit Venkys for putting forward money and blame staff at the time for declining it.

"Reports" dont say anything of the sort. They are paying more in fees although how much is guaranteed is anyones guess. And that might be because Suhail has all of the power now. But its all offset by a consistent slashing of the wage budget beyond competitive levels. And a more than usual aggressive shedding of any senior players we had on reasonable wages. Afolayan I suspect will be a nominal fee. Totally out of the picture at St Pauli.

I remember feeling the same. But if I recall correctly, it turned out that the players who we presumed had been rested were injured, notably Dack. He didnt rest "everyone" with regulars Mulgrew, Lenihan, Armstrong, Smallwood and Evans all playing. Dack, Nyambe, Bennett and Raya had injuries IIRC. His main flaw in management is certainly a lack of ruthlessness though. Doesnt necessarily mean lack of ambition, but too much of a people pleaser.

Not really any suggestion of some of the senior players who arent good enough leaving before the deadline. Henriksson, woeful player unable to make matchday squads at the moment. De Neve, pathetic excuse of a footballer. Tavares, back in a couple of weeks, not offering anything. Ribeiro, cant make squads, still here. Kargbo, waste of time. Are we going to have another mess of leaving senior players unregistered having presumably not pre warned them?

He didnt like asking the owners for money. As I have repeated, annoying but nowhere near the same. And him specifically turning down money in a season when he publically called out the owners for not providing any reinvestment or even allowing him to sell a player and reinvest, makes no sense. I think the more likely reason for that was something we have seen before and after, the owners fucking the manager over. Not them providing unspent and unwanted war chests. Occam's razor.

The burden of proof isnt on me as its you and others that are saying he specifically rejected transfer funds. Every manager is about self preservation. Do you think Tomasson and Eustace did what they did out of loyalty to our fans, or to improve their own careers?

I didnt doubt that he was dampening expectations. Managers often do. Didnt mean that he turned down big budgets. Again, agree that he should have demanded extra money. Although lets be clear, it shouldnt come down to that. But again, thats not turning down budgets which is what he is accused of. The cryptic chinese whispers you have heard, make no sense. Why would he be so annoyed in the summer when he got no money and in the winter when he couldnt even sell a player to raise money, ie he clearly wanted money, if he also turned down money? It makes absolutely no sense. He is gone and he isnt coming back. He seems to have for some reason dug a really deep scar in you. But lets not indirectly give Venkys credit for offering fictional transfer budgets. And lets not run with myths to bear a grudge.

He has weird principles and I agree he should have. But its totally different from actively declining transfer funds which seems to be a bit of a myth.

He has definitely said that he never felt like he could demand more money. Which is different. He also I think said that he had to calm down the owners, but that seems to have been spun to him turning down transfer budgets which he didnt say.

The side that went down had been absolutely ravaged of any remaining assets by the owners. The team that came up even with the addition of Dack (who obviously succumbed to injury) was nowhere near being a team to look towards the top of the Championship. Even with £10m spent on it, which was the one summer when maybe they had a shred of "interest." The summer after, we spent another £5m predominantly funded by the sale of Raya. From then on, the interest had gone again and not enough time or crucially money had been spent to get that side justifiably looking towards the top. It wasnt a wasted opportunity in that the money and period of supposed interest wasnt sufficient to prop up a side competitive at the top end. When we did start challenging, it wasnt by design or because of owner funding. The core of the team at the heart of those top 8 finishes under Mowbray and then Tomasson were Brereton, the main player signed during that flash of interest who needed time to develop. Rothwell who again needed time to develop. And also graduates like Travis, Dolan (signed very young for the academy but fasttracked), Wharton, Carter and the odd clever loan. This idea that Mowbray spurned a golden opportunity of owner interest is totally flawed and I hate it because it gives them far too much credit. £10m added to a good League 1 squad and a year of interest wasnt this huge opportunity.

He himself said on Big Sam's podcast not that he turned down budgets but that he didnt feel like he could go banging on their door for more money. His own weird principles were counterproductive but this idea that he was turning down transfer funds is at best speculative. You are equally boring continiously referring back to Mowbray and Waggott and deflecting when discussing the owners who are very much a current problem. Maybe they were expecting to then get promoted again and he was just telling them that it wasnt realistic with a side that had been in League 1. You also said that "sources" told you that he turned down funding in the season we finished 8th. In that season he publically kicked off that he wasnt allowed to sacrifice a disinterested Rothwell to raise funds, and also in the summer that he wasnt allowed any of the Armstrong money. So quite the opposite, he wanted money and wasnt allowed it. You repeatedly rejected this and deflected the blame on what the owners were doing onto him.

Doesnt say anything.

On an 18 month deal. Bizarre.

I agree that we shouldnt go back for him, although if its a straight choice between him and Ismael (it isnt) then Mowbray everytime. But the part in bold really has grown legs. Venkys held us back from promotion, not Mowbray. He wasnt capable of getting us promotion although when he had us closest, they again fucked him over before doing so to 2 subsequent managers.

There obviously is a massive excuse for him in why he has struggled in that Sheffield Wednesday team. But there is absolutely no evidence that he is a player that can score goals at this level or is what we need. If you sign him as a project in the summer then fine. Sheffield Wednesday fans even admist their issues dont seem to rate him too highly or seem bothered that hes leaving. Him and Afolayan signing seems almost like a best case scenario at this late stage. It wouldnt be good enough. Afolayan has a bit more credit to his name. Did really well in League 1 and in the 2nd tier in Germany (2 inferior leagues) but obviously has been not up to it in the Bundesliga (a far superior league) so maybe in the Championship which falls between those, he will be useful. But hes not done anything for a year and a half and hasnt played for months. Doesnt scream ready to make an impact right away. Jorgensen doesnt also look like he will add much.

Too much has been made of this travelling thing. Its been taken out of context as if he was managing here against his will. Also, every manager is managing for financial reasons. They all get paid. He actually does seem particularly obsessed with football. We shouldnt get him back, he has had his day and has had a serious illness. He would be a big upgrade on Ismael but he shouldnt be who we turned to. I think I would like it a bit just to see those with a really irrational and weird long lasting hatred of him reacting to it. But its not happening anyway. Ismael is safe.

You would prefer Ismael?