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There is nothing sustainable about letting over £10m of assets go for free within 12 months. And that is not a reflection on any individual below the owners.

Not a clue, at no point have they been described as anything other than "personal reasons." The point was that as long as Venkys are here, even hiring very capable staff beneath (if that is how it transpires) doesn't stop the fact that Venkys are still here, and their whole reign has been littered with underachievement.

The point was not about Potter being sacked as far I was concerned, it was about giving any manager 18 months regardless of results.

Erm probably not no, he would be creeping into dangerous territory and needs to improve soon but not yet. My main point is that it is stupid to give a manager such a lengthy and specific period of time REGARDLESS of results/progress. You can risk acting irrationally by trying to justify an initial decision. Why did Coyle not warrant further time then, he had not much more than 19 games, why didn't he get at least a season?

Is Carter comfortable on the ball? Quite cumbersome and clumsy.

He isn't realistic, he has been one of the best midfielders at this level for the last couple of years. He would cost too much, he would have bigger suitors should he become available and I would question whether he would come. He missed games last season for personal reasons and Wagner mentioned the problems again in his press conference today. He has talent but he hasn't performed since an initial bright spell and seems troubled, thankfully the rumours seem to be shit. Have Venkys gone?

Still no joined up thinking or any thought put into what is best for the here and now. Broughton seems to have only extended this with talk of targets for minutes for academy graduates and blocking pathways. The primary focus has to be the here and now, you can't dismiss what we need now in case it reduces the minutes for younger players, if they are good enough now they will stay a part of it, with loans an option if they aren't ready. It's all about value but it is all undermined anyway when our owners insist on players leaving for free.

Reiterating the poverty line.

I hope Ayala is fit, but if not, surely Phillips starts over Carter based on last week.

They should judge as they go and stick with/sack Potter based on results, like any sane club.

£2m is a lot of money on someone with personal and injury issues who has done nothing in a couple of years, at a club whose owners negligence has caused them to already live closer than necessarily towards FFP.

Forest Green are away at Bolton on the 24th. A draw would presumably move our game.

FFP mentioned again, something we have lost any flexibility with due to the overruling of the owners to allow assets to run their deals down.

I have a very strange viewpoint where manager need to warrant more time, not just be given it unconditionally. And that isnt specific to Potter, he may turn things round. We gave Kean loads of time, similar example to Arteta. Time doesnt automatically lead to improvement. You also cant continue regardless of results to try and justify the outlay, miss out on the top 4 and they will lose far more than £20m.

So essentially he stays for a pre determined and lengthy amount of time regardless of results. I dont get why managers still warrant time and patience regardless of results. Coyle should have been given 2 years because he had massive budget cuts to deal with, ignore how bad the results are. Surely?

It isnt just a staffing issue though. That might somewhat explain the inability to open the bottle bars and reduce queues at any individual till, to an extent. But there is no pre pouring of drinks and that never seems to be considered.

Out of interest, would Potter get an extra 18 months regardless of results? If they finished 10th this season and you was the owner, would he continue? If he finished 12th? Surely no sane owner would give any manager such a specific and lengthy period of time regardless of results.

Literally (intentionally or otherwise) paraphrasing the response Waggott gave in the fans forum minutes.

There shouldn't be a thought about blocking pathways considering that we should be trying to improve considering we are 3rd. If we sign someone for the here and now, which we should, by all means loan one of our current midfielders out. The question is if the rumour is true, whether Kilkenny is of the calibre and experience that we need? Unconvinced.

How do you know?

I have seen Kilkenny a few times when at Bournemouth and he was a tidy little player in front of the defence. We do need a midfielder desperately and I don't have a problem using the loan market in January because the focus has to be on the next few months. That being said, it would be a rather underwhelming signing if true, a young lad who has barely kicked a ball all season. I would want a real signing of quality with a bit more experience, Pearson/O'Brien/Barlaser or similar. I expect sadly a lack of needed help as we saw last January in a good position. I wonder if one of the current crop will be loaned out?

Pears is a bit crap but Fisher is not really an improvement, he is shit. Lost his spot to a keeper in Benda who himself isn't great.

I don't think that you can recall a loanee outside of the transfer window.

We shouldn't loan out Markanday, he should be pushing for a start here.

No real conversation about the woeful service and queues on the concourse but at least Savio got to ask about player postcards again.